Stevenson be clamin' HBO refused 50/50

[JJRod]

They weren't trusting-they were cutting their budget and couldn't commit to signing the fight that much in advance.

You left out Duva pulling out of the purse bid by asking not to be the mando.

Stevenson has an over inflated sense of self worth-no question. That said, both sides have contributed to this fight not being done.

Both sides?
Does it make sense to you to do a PPV split for this fight?
Why would Duva agree to this? Or HBO? And on a PPV why would they agree to a 50/50 split?

Since the 2014 fallout Kovalev has gained steam, has had several high profile fights and risen on the P4P list. Many including ring magazine rank him as number 2.

Stevenson on the other hand has become a joke and his ratings have dropped significantly.

Should Kovalev and his team just accept these ridiculous terms cause Stevenson has Haymon?

[The Big Dunn]

Both sides?
Does it make sense to you to do a PPV split for this fight?
Why would Duva agree to this? Or HBO? And on a PPV why would they agree to a 50/50 split?

Since the 2014 fallout Kovalev has gained steam, has had several high profile fights and risen on the P4P list. Many including ring magazine rank him as number 2.

Stevenson on the other hand has become a joke and his ratings have dropped significantly.

Should Kovalev and his team just accept these ridiculous terms cause Stevenson has Haymon?

Yes.

No, but it might be the only way the fight gets made in the current climate.

DUva may have to because had she not pulled out of the purse bid by asking not to be mando anymore, Haymon's side likely wins and the fight has to be a joint PPV anyway.

Yes he has. He also fought Mohammedi and Pascal rematch, garbage of the highest order. Stevenson has fought some bums but also beat Fonfara, who is ranked # 2 behind Kov as the contender to the LHW belt.

I am not saying take whatever offer is made. I am saying that the ban, led to the Stevenson signing, led to the mando request, led to pulling out of the purse bid, led to asking for split ppv. Until either Haymon is back on HBO or Kov doesn't go back to HBO, I don't see how the fight gets made.

[ShoulderRoll]

50/50 seems very fair.

Why does the fight have to be on HBO ppv, though? Why can't it be a joint production?

From what I understand that's the only thing holding up the fight.

[HeroBando]

50/50 seems very fair.

Why does the fight have to be on HBO ppv, though? Why can't it be a joint production?

From what I understand that's the only thing holding up the fight.

It's been explained many times. Cause only Kov has an exclusive network deal, with HBO. Also, its the biggest platform for boxing, see Stevenson huge drop in numbers since leaving HBO.

[original zero]

It's been explained many times. Cause only Kov has an exclusive network deal, with HBO. Also, its the biggest platform for boxing, see Stevenson huge drop in numbers since leaving HBO.

The facts don't support your premise. Kovalev is not a slave. He chooses to fight exclusively for HBO because of the considerations he is given. Stevenson chooses to fight exclusively for Viacom (Showtime, CBS and Spike are all owned by Viacom) because of the considerations he is given. You have no idea what Stevenson's contractual status is because Al Haymon has more important things to do than run his mouth to the internet all day like Duva. So you base your thoughts on the HBO propaganda you are spoon fed, but the facts don't support your position.

HBO is *NOT* the biggest platform for boxing. Tim Bradley's welterweight title fight peaked at 1 million viewers. Danny Garcia's welterweight title fight peaked at 3.5 million viewers. PBC is not only the biggest platform for boxing, but it's not even close. However, you base your thoughts on the HBO propaganda you are spoon fed, so your positions have no basis in reality.

You then claim Stevenson's numbers have dropped since leaving HBO. Since you base your thoughts on the HBO propaganda you are spoon fed, I understand why you believe that. However, you are 100% incorrect and Stevenson's numbers have INCREASED since leaving HBO.

His last HBO fight peaked a 1.3 million viewers during the desirable evening time slot. His fight on CBS, aired in the AFTERNOON peaked at 1.85 million viewers. Kovalev on HBO peaked at 1 million. So nearly twice as many people watched Stevenson.

But since you base your thoughts on the HBO propaganda you are spoon fed, you believe 1 million viewers is a bigger platform than 1.85 million viewers and you believe 1.85 million viewers is a drop from 1.3 million viewers.

The reason Haymon doesn't speak is because ultimately all of this is pointless. A bunch of idiots on a boxing site being tricked by HBO is ultimately irrelevant. So you guys can whine and moan all you want while millions of new fans discover the sport thanks to PBC.

HBO can block fight after fight and a few nerds on a website will blame Haymon because they believe the HBO propaganda they are spoon fed, but the cold hard facts show the truth.

[HeroBando]

The facts don't support your premise. Kovalev is not a slave. He chooses to fight exclusively for HBO because of the considerations he is given. Stevenson chooses to fight exclusively for Viacom (Showtime, CBS and Spike are all owned by Viacom) because of the considerations he is given. You have no idea what Stevenson's contractual status is because Al Haymon has more important things to do than run his mouth to the internet all day like Duva. So you base your thoughts on the HBO propaganda you are spoon fed, but the facts don't support your position.

HBO is *NOT* the biggest platform for boxing. Tim Bradley's welterweight title fight peaked at 1 million viewers. Danny Garcia's welterweight title fight peaked at 3.5 million viewers. PBC is not only the biggest platform for boxing, but it's not even close. However, you base your thoughts on the HBO propaganda you are spoon fed, so your positions have no basis in reality.

You then claim Stevenson's numbers have dropped since leaving HBO. Since you base your thoughts on the HBO propaganda you are spoon fed, I understand why you believe that. However, you are 100% incorrect and Stevenson's numbers have INCREASED since leaving HBO.

His last HBO fight peaked a 1.3 million viewers during the desirable evening time slot. His fight on CBS, aired in the AFTERNOON peaked at 1.85 million viewers. Kovalev on HBO peaked at 1 million. So nearly twice as many people watched Stevenson.

But since you base your thoughts on the HBO propaganda you are spoon fed, you believe 1 million viewers is a bigger platform than 1.85 million viewers and you believe 1.85 million viewers is a drop from 1.3 million viewers.

The reason Haymon doesn't speak is because ultimately all of this is pointless. A bunch of idiots on a boxing site being tricked by HBO is ultimately irrelevant. So you guys can whine and moan all you want while millions of new fans discover the sport thanks to PBC.

HBO can block fight after fight and a few nerds on a website will blame Haymon because they believe the HBO propaganda they are spoon fed, but the cold hard facts show the truth.

There you go again, comparing premium cable ratings with CBS. Clueless. His first fight off HBO had a 50% lower rating than Bellew, next one was another 50% drop. So from 1.3m to 300k in 2 fights. Last one on basic cable with another pathetic rating. Cut it out, shill

[emre belozoglu]

The facts don't support your premise. Kovalev is not a slave. He chooses to fight exclusively for HBO because of the considerations he is given. Stevenson chooses to fight exclusively for Viacom (Showtime, CBS and Spike are all owned by Viacom) because of the considerations he is given. You have no idea what Stevenson's contractual status is because Al Haymon has more important things to do than run his mouth to the internet all day like Duva. So you base your thoughts on the HBO propaganda you are spoon fed, but the facts don't support your position.

HBO is *NOT* the biggest platform for boxing. Tim Bradley's welterweight title fight peaked at 1 million viewers. Danny Garcia's welterweight title fight peaked at 3.5 million viewers. PBC is not only the biggest platform for boxing, but it's not even close. However, you base your thoughts on the HBO propaganda you are spoon fed, so your positions have no basis in reality.

You then claim Stevenson's numbers have dropped since leaving HBO. Since you base your thoughts on the HBO propaganda you are spoon fed, I understand why you believe that. However, you are 100% incorrect and Stevenson's numbers have INCREASED since leaving HBO.

His last HBO fight peaked a 1.3 million viewers during the desirable evening time slot. His fight on CBS, aired in the AFTERNOON peaked at 1.85 million viewers. Kovalev on HBO peaked at 1 million. So nearly twice as many people watched Stevenson.

But since you base your thoughts on the HBO propaganda you are spoon fed, you believe 1 million viewers is a bigger platform than 1.85 million viewers and you believe 1.85 million viewers is a drop from 1.3 million viewers.

The reason Haymon doesn't speak is because ultimately all of this is pointless. A bunch of idiots on a boxing site being tricked by HBO is ultimately irrelevant. So you guys can whine and moan all you want while millions of new fans discover the sport thanks to PBC.

HBO can block fight after fight and a few nerds on a website will blame Haymon because they believe the HBO propaganda they are spoon fed, but the cold hard facts show the truth.

Where do you get them numbers from

[original zero]

Bando -

You complain about comparing numbers from networks in a different amount of homes, but then immediately compare numbers from networks in a different amount of homes.

Meanwhile, you claim HBO is boxing's biggest platform while simultaneously complaining that the comparison is unfair because it's a smaller platform.

So which is it?



Emre Belozoglu -

All of the numbers I listed are easily verifiable. All I did was google the names of the fighters and the names of the networks to find news articles listing the ratings for the events in question.

The vast majority of the readers of this site automatically buy into whatever propaganda HBO is pushing. There are two sides to every story, but since HBO knows the other side (Al Haymon) doesn't speak publicly, it allows HBO to twist the truth as much as they desire because they know nobody is going to expose their lies.

If an unbiased person looks at the cold hard facts, they will see that HBO is tricking the fans into not realizing that HBO is the one blocking all of these fights.

HBO had the contractual right to match any offer Stevenson received. HBO declined to match Viacom's offer. HBO could have easily made Stevenson-Kovalev, but they refused.

After Stevenson signed with Viacom, Kovalev's HBO deal expired. Kovalev could have fought Stevenson, but instead signed another HBO contract.

Kovalev was Stevenson's mandatory, meaning the fight goes to purse bid and ends up on whatever network pays the most. Stevenson agreed to the fight. Kovalev backed out.

But since the hardcore fans have trusted HBO for decades, they believe whatever narrative HBO is pushing, whether that narrative is based in reality or not.

That is why so many people here react so emotionally. It's like telling them that Santa Claus isn't real. They've trusted HBO their entire life to be the guiding light in the sport of boxing, the trusted voice in the sport of boxing and the platform where the biggest fights take place.

So when you explain to them that HBO is full of it and show them the cold hard numbers that prove that HBO is now the 2nd rate boxing brand, they react the way somebody reacts when you insult their religion.

[BattleAxePurist]

This has nothing to do with HBO or Showtime and everything to do with AC not wanting it...

[ShoulderRoll]

This has nothing to do with HBO or Showtime and everything to do with AC not wanting it...

Can you elaborate?