Debunking the PBC fighters can't fight on HBO Theory Myth and GGG's HBO contract

[Chollo Vista]

I never said they have been under one family.

Yes, you did.

I just showed you all the ways their business model is nothing like UFCs.

No, you showed me how it feels to speak to someone that chews crayons for a living.

Nitpicking at what one organization does that the other doesn't, doesn't take away from the fact that conceptually PBC is using the UFC business model. Dana White himself has admit this as well as Rick Reeno and many others.

[killakali]

Who said FMJ was a PBC fighter?

Are you really trying to say that because Mayweather wasn't a PBC fighting then his affiliation with Haymon is moot?

Show me where I once said PBC was Showtime? Haymon does do business with Showtime as does all his fighters. Are you densely trying to deny this and a silly effort to use semantics?

If GGG came to PBC, of course he would be fighting on Showtime or do you think he'd be fighting on EPIC?

You keep proving my point even more. And I thank you for it. The fact that Haymon has other outlets besides PBC makes it even less like the UFC which is just that, the UFC. They don't subcontract guys out to other affiliations.

The idea behind PBC is to eliminate ppv and make boxing free which means no HBO or Showtime. You started your argument by saying PBC is the same business model as UFC and when I debunked that with facts you brought in everything Haymon does which includes PBC and Floyd ppvs. Haymon doesnt have any ppv fighters. Those aren't part of PBC and can't be included in any argument that says PBC is following UFCs model because it isn't PBC lololol

If you kept reading the article about Dana White you would see that White says the PBC is different than his model because he would NEVER buy time on networks and thinks it will backfire when the networks won't pay for the fights.

That was fun

[killakali]

Yes, you did.



No, you showed me how it feels to speak to someone that chews crayons for a living.

Nitpicking at what one organization does that the other doesn't, doesn't take away from the fact that conceptually PBC is using the UFC business model. Dana White himself has admit this as well as Rick Reeno and many others.

I said they are contracted to Fox and their family of channels. When are you going to show me their next fights on NBC and ESPN? I am still waiting. See what happens when you are talking out of your @ss?

[Chollo Vista]

The fact that Haymon has other outlets besides PBC makes it even less like the UFC which is just that, the UFC.

If you kept reading the article about Dana White you would see that White says the PBC is different than his model because he would NEVER buy time on networks and thinks it will backfire when the networks won't pay for the fights.

Haymon is consolidating his fighters under one roof, one organization, one umbrella like the UFC model.

Because someone says UFC model, doesn't necessarily mean they must do everything like them verbatim.

Again, just because Haymon purchases his time unlike White, doesn't change the fact that conceptually they're similar.

Moving on. If GGG were to go to PBC, he'd see his biggest pay checks than he's gotten so far and have a plethora of more fighters to pick from than what he's doing at HBO.

[original zero]

Chollo -

Hilarious that your premise is that GGG would earn more with PBC and your proof is that PBC fighters earn LESS than him.

Look, there is no bigger PBC proponent on this website than I am, but the PBC model makes zero sense for guys like Klitschko, Canelo, Cotto, GGG, etc. For the select chosen few, HBO still makes more sense.

HBO's business model is to build stars for PPV. PBC's business model is to kill PPV (and HBO for that matter).

Has nothing to do with what I want. GGG is a pawn in a larger game. HBO will overpay the select chosen few to keep them away from Haymon. For those few, it makes no sense to sign with Haymon.

Haymon has a great stable, but with Mayweather retired, he doesn't have any of boxing's top tier stars (Pacquiao, Canelo, Cotto, etc). He's smart enough to realize it doesn't make sense to overpay for them. They'll be gone eventually. More important to lock up the next generation.

You guys fail to realize just how many undefeated prospects Haymon has and that he's locking up all the belts one by one (except WBO). Over and over, belts are going to become vacant or mandatories are going to come due and waddya know, some random fighter most people have never heard of will be fighting for the title and they'll be with Haymon.

For the approach he's taking, it'd be a waste of money to outbid HBO for one of the elite stars. He doesn't need elite stars. He needs the rest of the universe. Then eventually, he'll have everything.



Rath -

Every single thing in the post I was responding to was incorrect.

I already told you who Floyd's promoter is and what Ellerbe's job is. Why do you still have question marks?

Learn to read dude. Not going to repeat myself.

[killakali]

Haymon is consolidating his fighters under one roof, one organization, one umbrella like the UFC model.

Because someone says UFC model, doesn't necessarily mean they must do everything like them verbatim.

Again, just because Haymon purchases his time unlike White, doesn't change the fact that conceptually they're similar.

Moving on. If GGG were to go to PBC, he'd see his biggest pay checks than he's gotten so far and have a plethora of more fighters to pick from than what he's doing at HBO.

How do you figure? Why is Tim Bradley making more than PBC fighters?

Haymon is not consolidating under one roof, one organization. You just said in addition to PBCs plethora of channels he's utilizing Showtime and PPV OUTSIDE of the PBC model.

Can you understand the difference??

I am not saying PBC or HBO is better than the other. I am saying that PBC isn't the same model of UFC and that is what Dana White said when he said Haymon made a major mistake in doing time buys and feels it will fail.

[Rath]

Chollo -

Hilarious that your premise is that GGG would earn more with PBC and your proof is that PBC fighters earn LESS than him.

Look, there is no bigger PBC proponent on this website than I am, but the PBC model makes zero sense for guys like Klitschko, Canelo, Cotto, GGG, etc. For the select chosen few, HBO still makes more sense.

HBO's business model is to build stars for PPV. PBC's business model is to kill PPV (and HBO for that matter).

Has nothing to do with what I want. GGG is a pawn in a larger game. HBO will overpay the select chosen few to keep them away from Haymon. For those few, it makes no sense to sign with Haymon.

Haymon has a great stable, but with Mayweather retired, he doesn't have any of boxing's top tier stars (Pacquiao, Canelo, Cotto, etc). He's smart enough to realize it doesn't make sense to overpay for them. They'll be gone eventually. More important to lock up the next generation.

You guys fail to realize just how many undefeated prospects Haymon has and that he's locking up all the belts one by one (except WBO). Over and over, belts are going to become vacant or mandatories are going to come due and waddya know, some random fighter most people have never heard of will be fighting for the title and they'll be with Haymon.

For the approach he's taking, it'd be a waste of money to outbid HBO for one of the elite stars. He doesn't need elite stars. He needs the rest of the universe. Then eventually, he'll have everything.



Rath -

Every single thing in the post I was responding to was incorrect.

I already told you who Floyd's promoter is and what Ellerbe's job is. Why do you still have question marks?

Learn to read dude. Not going to repeat myself.

what you said was when he got his Mayweather Promotions company registered and legit.

what i was asking was when he still was being promoted by GBP and Mayweather promotions was still not registered or not legit.

those are two different times.

[Chollo Vista]

I said they are contracted to Fox and their family of channels. When are you going to show me their next fights on NBC and ESPN?

UFC events are shown on ESPN in the Caribbean. Or did you think that the US was the only ones that had access to UFC televised events?

Moving on, since Dana White has taken over the UFC in the early 2000's, they've signed TV deals with several different networks (i.e. FOX and NBC). End of story.

[killakali]

Haymon is consolidating his fighters under one roof, one organization, one umbrella like the UFC model.

Because someone says UFC model, doesn't necessarily mean they must do everything like them verbatim.

Again, just because Haymon purchases his time unlike White, doesn't change the fact that conceptually they're similar.

Moving on. If GGG were to go to PBC, he'd see his biggest pay checks than he's gotten so far and have a plethora of more fighters to pick from than what he's doing at HBO.

You still have me super excited about the UFC being on ESPN and NBC. When are you going to send me the links to the next UFC fights on those networks? I need to mark my calendar so I dont miss them :blow:

[killakali]

UFC events are shown on ESPN in the Caribbean. Or did you think that the US was the only ones that had access to UFC televised events?

Moving on, since Dana White has taken over the UFC in the early 2000's, they've signed TV deals with several different networks (i.e. FOX and NBC). End of story.

wow after getting schooled you went to google and actually did some research. Lmaoo....Hey sherlock we were talking about the US. What you think HBO fights aren't on Azteca in Mexico or that PBC fights aren't on boxnation or Televisa?? Of course we are talking about the US just you started making stuff up.

And your major flaw is those tv deals with several networks weren't at the same time neanderthal. lolol. Hey Top Rank isn't only with HBO, they did Pacquiao-Mosley and Cotto-Mayorga on Showtime lololol

Of course promotional companies sign different contracts. The difference is that PBC is using all of these networks at ONE TIME. UFC doesn't do that. Game over.