Debunking the PBC fighters can't fight on HBO Theory Myth and GGG's HBO contract

[killakali]

Show me where you the bolded from?



Of course you can. PBC took the UFC's business model. I advise you to look at the UFC's business model and you'll see what PBC is doing.

Again, PBC is nothing more than Al Haymon's boxing series. It's nothing more than a boxing series tv show that provides a platform for him to market his fighters. That's all it is.

There are several promoters/managers that fall under the Haymon umbrella that are allowed to promote fights for the boxing series like Lou DiBella. Think of it like Bob Arum putting on a show during the airing of a PBC event.

PBC isn't a promotional company. All PBC is is the name of a boxing series similar to how Tuesday Night Fights was on ESPN back in the day.

Lou DiBella is the promoter in most events.

actually TGB promotes as many or more PBC events and Warriors does plenty too.

And again, PBC has not taken the UFC's business model. The UFC has never done time buys. They get paid for their product.

[killakali]

You tell me? You guys are the ones saying he can't find a fight due to network politics. Maybe he needs to either find a new network or new promoter?

The way things have looked lately, K2/Loeffler won't even attempt to negotiate with Haymon promoters until today, but only because they were made to by the IBF.

And you see in the OP that Ken Hershman has no issue with Haymon fighters fighting on the network. To take it a step further, did HBO not let GGG fight Adamu on another network or no?

why do u say GGG contract is up? I read it as a minimum of 4 fights. Not after 4 fights he is free. 1 of those fights was a ppv and 1 was in Europe so I doubt he's free

[Chollo Vista]

who says Haymon wants his guys to fight on HBO? There is a reason why they haven't fought on HBO

Then it's in GGG's best interest to fight on a PBC platform which will most likely be the biggest purse he's ever made against the best available competition.

Based off Team Golovkin's PR, this is what they've always wanted.

[original zero]

Rath -

As usual, you're completely wrong. Al Haymon is Floyd's manager. Leonard Ellerbe is Floyd's promoter (CEO of Mayweather Promotions, which Floyd obviously owns).

TMT is not Floyd's promotional company, his promotional company is Mayweather Promotions, which is run by Ellerbe.

Haymon is Floyd's adviser, but he's also his manager.

[Rath]

Show me where you the bolded from?



Of course you can. PBC took the UFC's business model. I advise you to look at the UFC's business model and you'll see what PBC is doing.

Again, PBC is nothing more than Al Haymon's boxing series. It's nothing more than a boxing series tv show that provides a platform for him to market his fighters. That's all it is.

There are several promoters/managers that fall under the Haymon umbrella that are allowed to promote fights for the boxing series like Lou DiBella. Think of it like Bob Arum putting on a show during the airing of a PBC event.

PBC isn't a promotional company. All PBC is is the name of a boxing series similar to how Tuesday Night Fights was on ESPN back in the day.

Lou DiBella is the promoter in most events.

i think it was when PBC held their first fight where the commentator never mentioned what specific belt that fighter has.

and they say soon there will be PBC belts/champions.

i remember posting on that thread that, why is PBC using the fighters records of fights if they are not acknowledging the boxing organization in which they are the champion.

[original zero]

Chollo -

Would be a terrible move for GGG to sign with Haymon. GGG has the chance to be a PPV star. Haymon is trying to kill PPV.

Haymon isn't trying to sign the biggest stars, Haymon is trying to make sure the FUTURE stars are developed through his system and that it becomes difficult and/or impossible to develop future stars without him.

He's taking the long road on this one.

PBC does NOT offer the most money. It offers more money than most can make elsewhere. It does not offer more money than the chosen few can make through the HBO system currently.

[Rath]

Rath -

As usual, you're completely wrong. Al Haymon is Floyd's manager. Leonard Ellerbe is Floyd's promoter (CEO of Mayweather Promotions, which Floyd obviously owns).

TMT is not Floyd's promotional company, his promotional company is Mayweather Promotions, which is run by Ellerbe.

Haymon is Floyd's adviser, but he's also his manager.

I am kinda confused, you joined jan 2016 have 30 posts and you said as uusual i am wrong.

how many of my post you have seen since you joined?

but but floyd says he is his own boss long ago when Mayweather promotion does not exist yet and that he was fighting under GBP.

so back then when Floyd was fighting under GBP promotion, who was his promoter, Haymon is his adviser and manager so what was ellerbe's position?

and if he was his own boss, then Haymon is just his employee.

[Chollo Vista]

Who in the PBC roster represents fighting the best

?

For starters, The Ring's #2 and #6 ranked guys in Jacobs and Quillin are there. At JMW (Lara, Andrade, Charlo Bros, Williams, etc), roughly 5 of the division's top ranked guys are with PBC. GGG has tried to get Quillin in the ring for years. If Jacobs got 1.5 mil, it's safe to say that GGG gets his highest paid fight with any of the guys at 154 or 160 from PBC. Especially since Team Golovkin said they'd take on anyone from 154-168. Then you have DeGale, Jack, and Dirrel Bros at 168 for GGG. How much $$$ do you think he'll get for those fights?

Point blank he would still have to fight Wade. It is not like there are no fights to be made for GGG right now in HBO land

Yes against Wade, a Haymon fighter.

But anyway, you mean the same HBO land you're always complaining about GGG not being able to get fights and everyone ducking him? And here we are talking about Korobov and Co.

Is this the same HBO land where GGG has all these fights?

The issue is getting guys to actually fight him

.

Precisely the point I just made right above. You took the words right out my mouth and contradicted yourself at the same time.

Moving over to PBC is not guaranteed success as they are not even fighting each other. Look at the super welterweight division as an example. None of them are fighting each other or any live dogs for that matter.

This statement couldn't be further from the truth. When Haymon tells them to fight each other, there's no such thing as declining the fight.

This year alone we have:

Thurman/Khan vs Garcia
Thurman vs Porter
Berto vs Peterson

All the above winners fighting each other in a finale.

That's not even counting:

Broner vs Maidana
Broner vs Porter
Khan vs Algeri
Garcia vs Peterson
Garcia vs Guerrero

Then at 154:

Charlo's vs Andrade on the horizon, with Trout, Williams Lara, and Vanes all gearing up to fight each other and fighting the winners, etc.

We're starting to literally see tourney's played out with all these fighters getting the biggest purses they've ever gotten.

You'd be a fool to believe GGG won't see his biggest purses, exposure and best competition under the Haymon/PBC stable.

[Chollo Vista]

actually TGB promotes as many or more PBC events and Warriors does plenty too.

And again, PBC has not taken the UFC's business model. The UFC has never done time buys. They get paid for their product.

They have taken the UFC business model. Do you think that just because the UFC and PBC differ in how one buys air time makes it so conceptually their business models aren't the same?

why do u say GGG contract is up? I read it as a minimum of 4 fights. Not after 4 fights he is free. 1 of those fights was a ppv and 1 was in Europe so I doubt he's free

Show me where I said that?

I said GGG has met his 4 fight minimum obligation as of Monroe Jr, which is true.

[original zero]

Rath, I have read hundreds, if not thousands of your posts. I've visited this site nearly every day since 2004, I just don't like to post much.

Every single thing you posted was incorrect.

Mayweather Promotions did exist when Floyd was fighting for Golden Boy. Golden Boy did not have Floyd under contract. Floyd hired Golden Boy to promote specific fights.

Floyd was his own boss because he owned his own company, which he hired Ellerbe to run.