Did people forget how bad Wilder looked?

[therealpugilist]

Fury has been talking **** about Wilder since he won his titles, but before that, he said a couple of times that he knows Wilder could knock him out if he makes a mistake.

Deontay would have a punchers chance, And so does Wlad in the rematch. I really hope Fury beats Wlad again and Wilder beats Povetkin.

Fury/Wilder would be a very interesting and entertaining scrap.

doesnt matter who wins the rematch to me....Wlad is one of my favs from the 96 olympics but I'd rather see a new generation take over the division

I just dont see Fury being the one to clean the division out like Wlad did....good fighter, just dont see it in him

[Motofan]

Most people seem to have very low expectations for heavyweights anymore. Wilder isn't very good. He looked sloppy and confused against a sub-par opponent. He then knocked out a guy who has been knocked out before. Nothing special. The problem is, nobody in the heavyweights who is actually fighting anyone of ANY quality has looked good fight in and fight out for some time. So its like finding a dwarf among midgets.

[lefthook2daliva]

The 10+ threads that was made immediately after bringing up Fury's KD to cunningham & asking "could he take that shot?", completely disregarding everything else going on in the fight - disagrees with you.

I like Wilder. I just think he looked awful up until the stoppage, and he was behind on most people's scores when it ended.

That shouldn't happen when you're fighting a relatively average guy.

My point is that those are probably mostly the same guys that have been saying that Wilder KO's everybody and their three little cousins the whole time.

Just like the pretty much same people keep calling him a bum, glass chin, etc...

You like him yet you had him losing to Szpilka by stoppage, right?

And now Szpilka is a bum or Wilder got lucky?

But you like Wilder. Like I said, straw man fabricated to justify a rant.

Aside from Wlad (who, imo, only needed to fight relatively decent guy that was big enough not to be hugged and leaned on in order to lose), who has Fury beat that makes him some PHD boxing professor anyway?

He punched himself in the face, ffs!

There has been a dearth of quality in the HW division for a very long time and to relentlessly insult one top 10 guy's resume and skills while lauding another's and then acting like anybody that disagrees with your assessment is agenda driven or ******, is just silly.

[Santa_]

It was a close fight that ended in a brutal KO

Wilder looked bad doe...

[Fury4daWIN]

Hes learning on the fly! hes getting better, he doesn't get hit a lot, the last guy he fought was akward, he has a lot of work to do for sure but sometimes I wonder if you guys understand how hard it is to be good at boxing.

Is he? Where's the evidence of that? Wilder should be putting these guys away with ease if he's improving, not going nine/ten rounds with them and getting hurt and rocked in the process. That shows a clear decline, IMO.

Look at how Wilder handled Szpilka and how Bryant Jennings handled him with far fewer fights and less amateur experience to boot. This isn't some ultra slick Chris Byrd-alike. It's a boxer/slugger who happens to move his head a bit and isn't afraid to get stuck in. Wilder shouldn't be letting guys like this be remotely competitive with him.

This "he's learning on the job" nonsense has to stop.

[Teddy05]

My point is that those are probably mostly the same guys that have been saying that Wilder KO's everybody and their three little cousins the whole time.

Just like the pretty much same people keep calling him a bum, glass chin, etc...

You like him yet you had him losing to Szpilka by stoppage, right?

And now Szpilka is a bum or Wilder got lucky?

But you like Wilder. Like I said, straw man fabricated to justify a rant.

Aside from Wlad (who, imo, only needed to fight relatively decent guy that was big enough not to be hugged and leaned on in order to lose), who has Fury beat that makes him some PHD boxing professor anyway?

He punched himself in the face, ffs!

There has been a dearth of quality in the HW division for a very long time and to relentlessly insult one top 10 guy's resume and skills while lauding another's and then acting like anybody that disagrees with your assessment is agenda driven or ******, is just silly.

Lets get this straight, Szpilka was a bum before this, as mike Mollo will attest

[LacedUp]

My point is that those are probably mostly the same guys that have been saying that Wilder KO's everybody and their three little cousins the whole time.

Just like the pretty much same people keep calling him a bum, glass chin, etc...

You like him yet you had him losing to Szpilka by stoppage, right?

And now Szpilka is a bum or Wilder got lucky?

But you like Wilder. Like I said, straw man fabricated to justify a rant.

Aside from Wlad (who, imo, only needed to fight relatively decent guy that was big enough not to be hugged and leaned on in order to lose), who has Fury beat that makes him some PHD boxing professor anyway?

He punched himself in the face, ffs!

There has been a dearth of quality in the HW division for a very long time and to relentlessly insult one top 10 guy's resume and skills while lauding another's and then acting like anybody that disagrees with your assessment is agenda driven or ******, is just silly.

I picked Szpilka because it was a cherrypick.

Dude, you're bringing up stuff from 5-6 years ago, I'm talking last weekend. It's such a weak argument when people start discussing what the actual heavyweight champion did half a decade ago in a discussion about how Wilder is currently.

notice I didn't speak about how bad Wilder was when he turned pro.

But I get it, that's what you have to go to.

Who's said Fury is a boxing professor? He's just good enough to be considered a massive favourite if they fought, probably more because Wilder is that bad.

[LacedUp]

It was a close fight that ended in a brutal KO

Wilder looked bad doe...

If you think it's OK that Wilder goes behind on the scorecards to someone of Szpilka's level, then obviously there's a difference in expectations from a heavyweight champion.

[Teddy05]

People need to understand their is a difference between winning and looking god. Tyson Fury Knocked Steve Cunningham out and gets ridiculed for his performance, and Wilder struggles with a guy who got dropped by a boxer wearing leggings and he looked impressive. Makes no sense

[Cutthroat]

Do you think Wilder can fight on the inside?

FYI Szpilka had his best round in round 8 and
wilder looked like a tired Mariusz Wach before detonation.

Yes, Wilder mauls guys on the inside, he knows how to create angles too. Szpilka's head movement, the pace at which he was moving at, the southpaw stance, it took Wilder time to adapt. Szpilka's style also pretty much neutralized any inside fighting.

Szpilka had an okay round after losing several in a row, but he was obviously starting to slow down and get hit more as Wilder calmed down. I don't think Wilder was tired at all, he was just settling down and looking for the KO punch. His fight with Stiverne was fought at with a much higher pace and he got hit much more by a much harder puncher.


A guy like Fury can fight at southpaw and is mobile, however he's a huge target compared to Szpilka who made himself a very small target.