Wilder-Szpilka averages 500K viewers

[bigdunny1]

Showtime has fallen off a cliff.

DeGale-Bute averaged 269K.
Jacobs-Quillin averaged 386K.
Wilder-Szpilka averaged 500K.

These shows should be doing 1M minimum. It doesn't look like Mayweather or PBC has benefitted Showtime in the long term at all.

Check the numbers since the Golden Boy split from Haymon and PBC launch. It's a scary trend Showtime is pulling 40-50% across the board for all boxing programming since then. The problem is 2 fold. Showtime got a massive boost in ratings when they aligned themselves with Golden Boy. Now you have 3rd rate promoters working for Haymon who aren't as good of promoters as Golden Boy was. Second you have fans not knowing what network these fighters will appear on. Huge reason for Showtimes success and HBO's is they build stars and you know every time they fight it will be on Showtime/HBO. Well now if you like a fighter you have no clue if he will fight on NBC, ESPN, Spike, FS1, Showtime ect. It's bad business for Showtime who spent years building a fighter and then lose him to other networks. Hell after the first half of PBC's launch Showtime basically had zero boxing content over night. I know friends who subscribed to Showtime just because of the influx of top fighters when Golden Boy jumped from HBO to Showtime. And when all those fighters like Thurman, Garcia, Broner, Porter, ect were fighting on PBC a lot of boxing fans dropped Showtime from their cable package. Also a ton of the negativity Haymon and PBC are getting for the quality of their fights or lack there of has rubbed off on Showtime.

Showtime is now in real shambles for letting Haymon hijack that channel and screwed them over. Haymon fighters are only now going back to Showtime because these PBC shows are tanking in ratings and losing millions so Haymon is throwing them back to Showtime so PBC investors are not paying their purses for fights that lose money. But clearly a lot of damage has been done to the Showtime brand.

[AddiX]

Terrible Ratings. Last year Wilder drew 1.24mil viewers on Showtime against Steverne. But that was with Golden Boy promoting it and before PBC. I've said it all year PBC has all but destroyed the credibility of Showtime. Across the boards all their boxing fights since PBC are down about 50% or more. And it has not boosted any of the fighters who fought on PBC. Example Thurman drew big ratings the very first PBC show. So you would think it increased his popularity right? NOPE. His next fight in his hometown he fought in a empty arena drawing only 4k fans and it got terrible TV ratings. Jacobs and Quillin drew horrible ratings when they came back to Showtime from PBC. The negative impact that PBC has gotten has certainly rubbed off on Showtime.

These fighters would of been much better off staying on Showtime and building their fanbase.

This is a great point, the expectation was that showcasing these guys on network TV would build a bigger fan base, and the new fans would watch them on showtime, but the complete opposite has happened.

There was a lot of obvious problems with PBC and there plan, but no one saw this coming.

HBO sunk there time/$ into a handful of fighters, and there thriving in the ratings department. There top guys aren't bouncing around from channel to channel.

So I think there is definitely something to this. I also think HBO's Push of non-black fighters has helped them greatly, which is something they've been pushing to do for years now.

[Teetotaler]

Showtime has fallen off a cliff.

DeGale-Bute averaged 269K.
Jacobs-Quillin averaged 386K.
Wilder-Szpilka averaged 500K.

These shows should be doing 1M minimum. It doesn't look like Mayweather or PBC has benefitted Showtime in the long term at all.

Both chavez jr fights have done less as well for a guy who's suppose to have a big fanbase. Its crazy to see how Espinoza still has a job

[bojangles1987]

Showtime has fallen off a cliff.

DeGale-Bute averaged 269K.
Jacobs-Quillin averaged 386K.
Wilder-Szpilka averaged 500K.

These shows should be doing 1M minimum. It doesn't look like Mayweather or PBC has benefitted Showtime in the long term at all.

It doesn't help when they build up fights on the PBC channels and then put them on Showtime. Jacobs/Quillin 100% should have been on NBC, and it's ridiculous that it wasn't.

[jqSide]

Showtime/PBC are killing HBO.

[AddiX]

Check the numbers since the Golden Boy split from Haymon and PBC launch. It's a scary trend Showtime is pulling 40-50% across the board for all boxing programming since then. The problem is 2 fold. Showtime got a massive boost in ratings when they aligned themselves with Golden Boy. Now you have 3rd rate promoters working for Haymon who aren't as good of promoters as Golden Boy was. .

Another very good point, I never really thought of.

These promoters Haymon uses are getting flat fee's to put on Haymons events.

There is NO incentive for them to do a good job, there is no incentive for them to build the fighters up, and there is no incentive to spend extra money to build up a better event.

Boxing has never operated like this, were now seeing that once you take the promoters incentive away, there's no one left to promote.

Lou Dibella who promotes for Haymon operated like this for years when he had a decent sized stable of his own fighters. He would take the network money, pocket as much of it as he could and spend no $ actually promoting the events.

Now he just takes Haymons $ instead.

[SilverMiles]

Terrible Ratings. Last year Wilder drew 1.24mil viewers on Showtime against Steverne. But that was with Golden Boy promoting it and before PBC. I've said it all year PBC has all but destroyed the credibility of Showtime. Across the boards all their boxing fights since PBC are down about 50% or more. And it has not boosted any of the fighters who fought on PBC. Example Thurman drew big ratings the very first PBC show. So you would think it increased his popularity right? NOPE. His next fight in his hometown he fought in a empty arena drawing only 4k fans and it got terrible TV ratings. Jacobs and Quillin drew horrible ratings when they came back to Showtime from PBC. The negative impact that PBC has gotten has certainly rubbed off on Showtime.

These fighters would of been much better off staying on Showtime and building their fanbase.

Al Haymon should never betrayed GBP. They guys have the recognition and respect of the boxing market. They knew how to sell fights and fighters. The PBC would doing a lot better had Haymon not burned his bridges.

Fans think fighters sell the sport but in reality it's a partnership between promoter and fighter. One can't function without the other. Fighters need good promoters to be stars and promoters need fighters to be successful.

Haymon thinks just having some big name fighters would make PBC a success but in reality he doesn't have the promotional team to succeed.

PBC is good for the sport so PBC needs to get in touch with Oscar and try to work things out and get this **** started.

[Teetotaler]

I was switching back and forth between Pack-Cards and SHO.

It was a free SHO weekend as well.

oh yeah I forgot about that. That was the whole reason I tuned in. I wouldn't have bothered streaming it either

[bigdunny1]

Al Haymon delivering crappy ratings wherever he goes.

This nonsense is will end eventually, I just hope he doesn't destroy the sport to the point of no return. If you can't turn Wilder into a star, than WTF are you good for?

He's nothing without Floyd.

Yup for example the FS1 ratings for PBC last week are DREADFUL. Only 157K viewers. Golden Boy on FS1 did better then that and they operated on a budget of like 50K. Hell ESPN friday night fights pulled better ratings and they also paid their fighters so much less. PBC on FS1 is paying their fighters about 10X that budget in fighter purses and getting the same or worse ratings. I don't know how much longer Haymon can continue operating like this and it's why you are seeing far less star power on PBC for the last what 6 months. Most of his top fighters haven't fought during this time or fought on Showtime because he's losing too much money on these PBC cards that can't draw any viewers. The flag ship channel for PBC was NBC and EACH card they aired last year pulled fewer ratings. Saw significant decline in every show to the point the last show of the year was down like 50%. If that was a TV show or any other normal programming it would of been canceled. Only reason PBC still airs despite terrible ratings is the time buy, they pay the channels not the other way around so they haven't lost any money. Only PBC investors have lost money.

Things are going far worse then Haymon fanboys like to pretend and it has absolutely effected Showtime.

[BWC]

Al Haymon delivering crappy ratings wherever he goes.

This nonsense is will end eventually, I just hope he doesn't destroy the sport to the point of no return. If you can't turn Wilder into a star, than WTF are you good for?

He's nothing without Floyd.

Dude the Haymon hate is just outta control. It was the Packers-Cardinals game there guys