Tyson Fury: "MMA is for people who can't box!"

[LoadedWraps]

[LoadedWraps]

WAR BOXING!!!

:head****:

[KLockard23]

As expected, this thread amounted to little more than a di*k measuring contest between boxing fans and MMA fans on which sport is "better." Fact is, if you came across either a boxer in real life or an MMA fighter, the mixed-martial artist is the one you'd want to risk ****ing with the least.

It is also way overstated by people how little of a chance MMA fighter would have if they stepped into a boxing ring. Even the worst of the worst would have at least a "puncher's chance", whereas every boxer who has stepped in the octagon as a one-time thing has gotten their ass whooped. Take a hint.

[LoadedWraps]

As expected, this thread amounted to little more than a di*k measuring contest between boxing fans and MMA fans on which sport is "better." Fact is, if you came across either a boxer in real life or an MMA fighter, the mixed-martial artist is the one you'd want to risk ****ing with the least.

It is also way overstated by people how little of a chance MMA fighter would have if they stepped into a boxing ring. Even the worst of the worst would have at least a "puncher's chance", whereas every boxer who has stepped in the octagon as a one-time thing has gotten their ass whooped. Take a hint.

Yea, no.

That chick Holmes was a champion in boxing iirc and she also won a title in the UFC didn't she? I haven't watched a UFC event since Rampage Jackson was in his prime so the only exposure I have to that crap is what I am exposed to randomly.

I hope you wouldn't look into the Toney fight without context, that would be foolish.

I've explained why before, in this thread, that a boxer, if approaching the situation correctly has the advantage in crossing over, over the MMA cat attempting crossing into boxing.

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=640496

I can't remember the page but I break it down at one point.

[KLockard23]

Yea, no.

That chick Holmes was a champion in boxing iirc and she also won a title in the UFC didn't she? I haven't watched a UFC event since Rampage Jackson was in his prime so the only exposure I have to that crap is what I am exposed to randomly.

I hope you wouldn't look into the Toney fight without context, that would be foolish.

I've explained why before, in this thread, that a boxer, if approaching the situation correctly has the advantage in crossing over, over the MMA cat attempting crossing into boxing.

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=640496

I can't remember the page but I break it down at one point.

Yeah, but one person transitioning successfully from boxing to MMA doesn't prove it would be the case for everyone.

And sure, let's make excuses for Toney being 42 at the time he got sonned in the Octagon, even though the guy who destroyed him - Randy Couture - was 47.

[KeyboardWarrior]

As expected, this thread amounted to little more than a di*k measuring contest between boxing fans and MMA fans on which sport is "better." Fact is, if you came across either a boxer in real life or an MMA fighter, the mixed-martial artist is the one you'd want to risk ****ing with the least.

It is also way overstated by people how little of a chance MMA fighter would have if they stepped into a boxing ring. Even the worst of the worst would have at least a "puncher's chance", whereas every boxer who has stepped in the octagon as a one-time thing has gotten their ass whooped. Take a hint.

So you say it's a di*k measuring contest then partake in it. Real smart.

[KLockard23]

So you say it's a di*k measuring contest then partake in it. Real smart.

My post was, yes. STFU.

[!! Shawn]

There isn't one good example on either side really. I see Holm as more of a martial artists than a boxer since she started her combat sports career in kickboxing. There are a ton of examples of kickboxers with success in boxing. Muay Thai guys in smaller weight divisions to. And that goes along with the simple logic thats its easier to transition to using & defending with less weapons (feet & fists) vs using & defending with more weapons for boxings (just fists). Again all else being equal talent wise in their respective craft. Overall I've seen MMA guys have a better record in boxing than I see boxers have a better record in MMA.

For the life of me I don't get how people think a transition from boxing to MMA is easier than MMA to boxing. You got too many completely new concepts you gotta learn going into MMA while you just need to focus on improving one thing you already do by going from MMA to boxing.



Yea but the problem lies in that a boxer once taken down is done unless you got a expert level sprawl. You need a wider array of skills in MMA than boxing. Sure you need deeper boxing knowledge to compete in boxing than a MMA guy is gonna have at the beginning, but its easier to focus on one thing you already do than to add a bunch of things you've never done. I just don't see how its harder to learn boxing than learn 4-5 totally new & different disciplines that you'll need to weave together offensively + defensively to be a fully functional martial artist.

Would you consider Vitali Klitchko more of a martial arts guy since he was a kickboxer?

The point is that 95% of ufc standup is boxing, very low level boxing, if a boxer learns take down defense, and to defend kicks, he is at a clear advantage. And the idea that any fighter would chose to go into MMA instead of boxing is outlandish.

That's like saying a basketball player would choose to hustle street ball instead of signing a huge contract to play in the nba.

Boxing has always been the big money game.

If you aren't competing in the big money game, its most likely because you know you don't have the skills to do so.

The biggest MMA purse in history isn't even a fraction of 20th largest purse in boxing history.

Just think about that.

If you are elite level athlete, and could transition to a sport where the top level pay is MUCH higher why wouldn't you do it if you could?

[!! Shawn]

As expected, this thread amounted to little more than a di*k measuring contest between boxing fans and MMA fans on which sport is "better." Fact is, if you came across either a boxer in real life or an MMA fighter, the mixed-martial artist is the one you'd want to risk ****ing with the least.

It is also way overstated by people how little of a chance MMA fighter would have if they stepped into a boxing ring. Even the worst of the worst would have at least a "puncher's chance", whereas every boxer who has stepped in the octagon as a one-time thing has gotten their ass whooped. Take a hint.

Exibit A.

Former heavyweight champion Ray Mercer KO's former 2x UFC heavyweight champion Tim Sylvia.

Stop pretending it has always ended in failure.

[!! Shawn]

I could afford both and have been loyal to boxing for many years.

I was pretty adept at grappling and still have great take down defense. Still chose boxing.

Boxing is for people who realize the depth of boxing and difficulty involved to succeed at the highest level is astonishing and marvelous - and even more-so when you realize, it's only punches. And at the same time it isn't. There is so much more to boxing than punching, to say it's only punching is to show your lack of knowledge of the sport. That's like saying basketball is only making shots.

A surprisingly large number of boxers have trained in other standup arts such as kickboxing for ****s and giggles.