Tyson Fury: "MMA is for people who can't box!"

[KillaCamNZ]

Absolutely not, Browne started boxing the same time as his MMA career.

The big dfference is Browne never beat anyone in MMA, Browne would not be able to hang in UFC. he started boxing and doing MMA around the same time (early 2009) If you factor in Am experience he's likely been training boxing longer. so I'd say he's not an MMA fighter that went to boxing, but more he did both and stayed with boxing. HE NEVER EVEN FOUGHT IN UFC. The people I mentioned KO'd Former or current UFC champions and where boxing champs at some point, Browne does not have a single decent win in MMA. It's not like he was an MMA fighter who just decided to go to boxing, he did them simultaneously, I'd even venture to say he was more of a pure boxer that also tried his hand at MMA.

Nothing quite like moving the goalposts after the kick has been taken eh.

Nonetheless, I get a little tetchy in debates around MMA/Boxing etc.

It frustrates me, having been a massive K-1 fan, to see the argument turn far too black and white, when it's a very grey area. I remember Ustinov kicking serious tail before embarking on his boxing career - and since then, the debate has fascinated me.

[BEEHOP]

Next you guys will say Alexander Ustinov was an MMA fighter that went to boxing only having 2 fights mma. SMH. Him and Browne are clearly boxers that tried MMA a couple of times, I doubt they even grapple.

[BEEHOP]

Nothing quite like moving the goalposts after the kick has been taken eh.

Nonetheless, I get a little tetchy in debates around MMA/Boxing etc.

It frustrates me, having been a massive K-1 fan, to see the argument turn far too black and white, when it's a very grey area. I remember Ustinov kicking serious tail before embarking on his boxing career - and since then, the debate has fascinated me.

aha you literally mentioned Ustinov as I was typing about him. I see what he's saying, but these guys are mainly boxers who tried a bit of MMA. I bet most of their training is boxing even when they fought mma. EDIT: Kickboxing for Ustinov as well of course

[Bigg Rigg]

Says the worst heavyweight champion in boxing history. This dude is a ****ing clown.

[LoadedWraps]

Says the worst heavyweight champion in boxing history. This dude is a ****ing clown.

If by clown you mean boxing wizard, then I agree.

Fury can do it all. He's basically a HW sweet pea.

[LetOutTheCage]

There is always a chance, even if it's an incredibly small one. And why people always bring up Holm destroying Ronda is beyond me. Firstly, she knocked her out with a headkick, not a punch. Had Holm stuck to only boxing/striking the whole fight, Ronda may have eventually seized the moment and submitted her. Secondly, exceptional examples of boxers beating MMA fighters with boxing techniques do not guarantee this would be the outcome of every single case of a Boxer versus an MMA fighter. Thirdly, Holm lost her last fight in the UFC by being outstruck on the feet by Valentina Shevchenko, a chick with very, very little boxing experience outside of the UFC.

And yes, Conor has a chance of knocking out Floyd, albeit an extremely miniscule one. But almost anything is possible. He would certainly survive getting knocked out by Floyd, come on...

Why do you think a boxer would only use their fists in an MMA fight? Secondly Holm was beating the hell out of Rousey using her fists for the majority of the fight. Rousey was already badly hurt by multiple punches prior to the kick that ended the fight. Thirdly look at Holmes KO % in boxing, then look at her KO% in MMA. MMA fighters stand-up is inferior to a boxer. Again Give someone like Mayweather MMA style gloves and see what happens to McGregor.

[KLockard23]

Why do you think a boxer would only use their fists in an MMA fight? Secondly Holm was beating the hell out of Rousey using her fists for the majority of the fight. Rousey was already badly hurt by multiple punches prior to the kick that ended the fight. Thirdly look at Holmes KO % in boxing, then look at her KO% in MMA. MMA fighters stand-up is inferior to a boxer. Again Give someone like Mayweather MMA style gloves and see what happens to McGregor.

They wouldn't, but there's no guarantee they'd be just as good in the other areas of fighting. And what about Holm's KO ratio? She is a serious contender for GOAT female boxer, yet she got outboxed in her last fight by someone with virtually no professional boxing experience... Which is just a small excerpt that shows the whole Boxer vs MMA Fighter debate to not be anywhere near as black and white as people make it.

[LetOutTheCage]

They wouldn't, but there's no guarantee they'd be just as good in the other areas of fighting. And what about Holm's KO ratio? She is a serious contender for GOAT female boxer, yet she got outboxed in her last fight by someone with virtually no professional boxing experience... Which is just a small excerpt that shows the whole Boxer vs MMA Fighter debate to not be anywhere near as black and white as people make it.

They wouldn't necessarily need to be good in other areas. You're just assuming that they would only use their fists because it's something their good at. The sad truth is that Holm is washed up, she's not exactly young anymore and didnt come into MMA young. She also had plenty of wars in boxing prior to her MMA career, yet she managed to become a world champion despite her age and lack of experience. Show me an MMA fighter who has done the same in boxing.

My point stands she has very few KO's in boxing but in almost all of her MMA victories she has won by KO. That's largely because of the quality of stand-up in MMA.

Watch the Aldo McGregor fight, Aldo caught McGregor as he was lunging in. Give Mayweather UFC gloves and put him in the same scenario against McGregor who do you think goes to sleep?

[KillaCamNZ]

aha you literally mentioned Ustinov as I was typing about him. I see what he's saying, but these guys are mainly boxers who tried a bit of MMA. I bet most of their training is boxing even when they fought mma. EDIT: Kickboxing for Ustinov as well of course

Well said buddy!

[LoadedWraps]

Well said buddy!

x2.

BEEHOP is bodying people up in this thread.