Tyson Fury: "MMA is for people who can't box!"

[Eff Pandas]

Would you consider Vitali Klitchko more of a martial arts guy since he was a kickboxer?

Probably not. Although I've never heard much about his kickboxing record or who he fought or much of anything with that. I don't know which he started first, boxing or kickboxing. I don't know how many kickboxing fights he had. I don't think his situation is comparable to Holm's who's start in combat sports was via kickboxing.

If you are elite level athlete, and could transition to a sport where the top level pay is MUCH higher why wouldn't you do it if you could?

Where did I suggest otherwise? Boxing fan almost bring up the dumbest **** about the difficulty with the conversion from boxing to MMA vs from MMA to boxing. I never mentioned money, but obviously who doesn't understand the money angle? Thing is thats going to be changing with the why things are looking so it should be interesting to see if more boxers try to transition to MMA in another 10 years when I suspect MMA will be commanding bigger purses than boxers.

[!! Shawn]

Probably not. Although I've never heard much about his kickboxing record or who he fought or much of anything with that. I don't know which he started first, boxing or kickboxing. I don't know how many kickboxing fights he had. I don't think his situation is comparable to Holm's who's start in combat sports was via kickboxing.



Where did I suggest otherwise? Boxing fan almost bring up the dumbest **** about the difficulty with the conversion from boxing to MMA vs from MMA to boxing. I never mentioned money, but obviously who doesn't understand the money angle? Thing is thats going to be changing with the why things are looking so it should be interesting to see if more boxers try to transition to MMA in another 10 years when I suspect MMA will be commanding bigger purses than boxers.

He was a kick boxing world champion before turning pro in boxing in 1996. He competed amateur and professional in both kickboxing and boxing.

[KLockard23]

Would you consider Vitali Klitchko more of a martial arts guy since he was a kickboxer?

The point is that 95% of ufc standup is boxing, very low level boxing, if a boxer learns take down defense, and to defend kicks, he is at a clear advantage. And the idea that any fighter would chose to go into MMA instead of boxing is outlandish.

That's like saying a basketball player would choose to hustle street ball instead of signing a huge contract to play in the nba.

Boxing has always been the big money game.

If you aren't competing in the big money game, its most likely because you know you don't have the skills to do so.

The biggest MMA purse in history isn't even a fraction of 20th largest purse in boxing history.

Just think about that.

If you are elite level athlete, and could transition to a sport where the top level pay is MUCH higher why wouldn't you do it if you could?

Because money isn't the only thing that attracts people to a profession? Pretending it's as black and white as saying, "If they could make it durr, they would, hurr" shows a short-sighted way of thinking, one I think we both know isn't true. Training in MMA is undoubtably more difficult than training in boxing because there's more things you have to learn.

[LetOutTheCage]

As expected, this thread amounted to little more than a di*k measuring contest between boxing fans and MMA fans on which sport is "better." Fact is, if you came across either a boxer in real life or an MMA fighter, the mixed-martial artist is the one you'd want to risk ****ing with the least.

It is also way overstated by people how little of a chance MMA fighter would have if they stepped into a boxing ring. Even the worst of the worst would have at least a "puncher's chance", whereas every boxer who has stepped in the octagon as a one-time thing has gotten their ass whooped. Take a hint.

Holly Holmes says hi. How many MMA fighters do you know who became world champion in boxing?

[KLockard23]

Holly Holmes says hi. How many MMA fighters do you know who became world champion in boxing?

Holm, not Holmes. And I did say "as a one-time thing" for a reason in the part you bolded. Holm actually bothered training to become a full-time MMA fighter as opposed to thinking she could just easily step in there and whoop ass because of some definitive belief that boxers are completely superior to MMA fighters.

How many MMA fighters have even attempted to become a champion in boxing? That none or virtually none haven't isn't automatically indicative that they absolutely couldn't if they bothered putting the time and work into it.

[BEEHOP]

As expected, this thread amounted to little more than a di*k measuring contest between boxing fans and MMA fans on which sport is "better." Fact is, if you came across either a boxer in real life or an MMA fighter, the mixed-martial artist is the one you'd want to risk ****ing with the least.

It is also way overstated by people how little of a chance MMA fighter would have if they stepped into a boxing ring. Even the worst of the worst would have at least a "puncher's chance", whereas every boxer who has stepped in the octagon as a one-time thing has gotten their ass whooped. Take a hint.

You know nothing, an MMA fighter has NO chance in a boxing match, A boxer however has a punchers chance as they are far far more skilled with their fists. There's proof too, Holly Holm a champion boxer destroyed the best female figher at the time. Also Ray Mercer at over 50 Years old KOd 2 time UFC HW champ Tim Sylvia in the first round in an MMA match.

Name one MMA fighter that has gone to boxing and KO'd a former champ or current champ. Yet boxers have KO'd MMA fighters in MMA.


LOL you probably think Conor Mcgregor would be able to hang with Floyd in boxing, reality check Floyd has a better shot at KOing Conor in MMA than Conor does at KOing him in boxing. Floyd would KO conor in boxing easily. In fact Conor's boxing coach said Paulie Malinaggi would easily beat Conor at boxing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0GHTKvtGMQ watch this

[LetOutTheCage]

Holm, not Holmes. And I did say "as a one-time thing" for a reason in the part you bolded. Holm actually bothered training to become a full-time MMA fighter as opposed to thinking she could just easily step in there and whoop ass because of some definitive belief that boxers are completely superior to MMA fighters.

How many MMA fighters have even attempted to become a champion in boxing? That none or virtually none haven't isn't automatically indicative that they absolutely couldn't if they bothered putting the time and work into it.

James Toney (who was already punch-drunk and washed up) aside do you honestly think a boxer would go straight into an MMA fight without some sort of preparation. Nobody is ****** enough to think an MMA fighter wouldnt try to improve their boxing skills before entering a boxing match so why do you think a proffesional boxer would go into an MMA fight with no MMA training beforehand?

[LetOutTheCage]

You know nothing, an MMA fighter has NO chance in a boxing match, A boxer however has a punchers chance as they are far far more skilled with their fists. There's proof too, Holly Holm a champion boxer destroyed the best female figher at the time. Also Ray Mercer at over 50 Years old KOd 2 time UFC HW champ Tim Sylvia in the first round in an MMA match.

Name one MMA fighter that has gone to boxing and KO'd a former champ or current champ. Yet boxers have KO'd MMA fighters in MMA.


LOL you probably think Conor Mcgregor would be able to hang with Floyd in boxing, reality check Floyd has a better shot at KOing Conor in MMA than Conor does at KOing him in boxing. Floyd would KO conor in boxing easily. In fact Conor's boxing coach said Paulie Malinaggi would easily beat Conor at boxing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0GHTKvtGMQ watch this

Yup, as I keep saying most UFC fighters dont even know how to throw a jab, there is a huge skill-gap in UFC stand-up fighting and boxing. Give Mayweather those UFC style gloves and see how long McGregor last's even in an MMA fight.

[KLockard23]

You know nothing, an MMA fighter has NO chance in a boxing match, A boxer however has a punchers chance as they are far far more skilled with their fists. There's proof too, Holly Holm a champion boxer destroyed the best female figher at the time. Also Ray Mercer at over 50 Years old KOd 2 time UFC HW champ Tim Sylvia in the first round in an MMA match.

Name one MMA fighter that has gone to boxing and KO'd a former champ or current champ. Yet boxers have KO'd MMA fighters in MMA.


LOL you probably think Conor Mcgregor would be able to hang with Floyd in boxing, reality check Floyd has a better shot at KOing Conor in MMA than Conor does at KOing him in boxing. Floyd would KO conor in boxing easily. In fact Conor's boxing coach said Paulie Malinaggi would easily beat Conor at boxing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0GHTKvtGMQ watch this

There is always a chance, even if it's an incredibly small one. And why people always bring up Holm destroying Ronda is beyond me. Firstly, she knocked her out with a headkick, not a punch. Had Holm stuck to only boxing/striking the whole fight, Ronda may have eventually seized the moment and submitted her. Secondly, exceptional examples of boxers beating MMA fighters with boxing techniques do not guarantee this would be the outcome of every single case of a Boxer versus an MMA fighter. Thirdly, Holm lost her last fight in the UFC by being outstruck on the feet by Valentina Shevchenko, a chick with very, very little boxing experience outside of the UFC.

And yes, Conor has a chance of knocking out Floyd, albeit an extremely miniscule one. But almost anything is possible. He would certainly survive getting knocked out by Floyd, come on...

[therealpugilist]

as much as i love boxing 99x more than mma...
mcgregor could say the vice versa... boxing is for people who cant fight with fewer limitations...

nice try

boxing...fighting with hands...is literally human nature, and the sport has been around in many places in the world thousands of years bro

MMA is cool, i respect all fighters, but come on...Comparing MMA fighters are jacks of all trades, masters of nothing. Many of them couldnt make it to a high level in traditional full contact martial arts or boxing. Just facts.