how is come Leo Santa Cruz not in Rings Magazine/ESPN top 10 P4P list

[BrometheusBob.]

I haven't made an organized thought out P4P list (would take some time) but here are 15 people I'd easily put before LSC:

Gonzalez, GGG, Kovalev, Fury, Pac, Ward, Alvarez, Bradley, Rigo, Crawford, Estrada, Garcia, Inoue, Uchiyama, Yamanaka

And then it's still not obvious where I throw him in after that. I can still find a place for Abraham, Stevenson, Povetkin etc probably before LSC.

How big is LSC's win compared to others' this year really? I mean if one solid win is all it takes to be top 10 P4P then where should we put Jacobs? Postol? Porter? Francisco Vargas?

So idk, I guess LSC could be somewhere in my top 30ish perhaps, if I ever bothered to rank that many.

[just the facts]

I haven't made an organized thought out P4P list (would take some time) but here are 15 people I'd easily put before LSC:

Gonzalez, GGG, Kovalev, Fury, Pac, Ward, Alvarez, Bradley, Rigo, Crawford, Estrada, Garcia, Inoue, Uchiyama, Yamanaka

And then it's still not obvious where I throw him in after that. I can still find a place for Abraham, Stevenson, Povetkin etc probably before LSC.

How big is LSC's win compared to others' this year really? I mean if one solid win is all it takes to be top 10 P4P then where should we put Jacobs? Postol? Porter? Francisco Vargas?

So idk, I guess LSC could be somewhere in my top 30ish perhaps, if I ever bothered to rank that many.

You are arguing that it takes more than 1 good win to crack the top 10, but you have g string there and he doesn't even have one good win.

[BrometheusBob.]

You are arguing that it takes more than 1 good win to crack the top 10, but you have g string there and he doesn't even have one good win.

Any one of his title defenses takes a dump on the taxi cab drivers LSC has been fighting. He gets one good win and all of a sudden that makes up for an otherwise totally vapid, empty career? Please bro I pick GGG's resume overall over LSC's any day of the week.

[ИATAS]

LSC is a three division champion but what does that even mean? Did he beat the best fighters in his divisions? No, we already know he turned down Rigondeaux and didn't attempt to fight top guys.

He won a vacant 118 pound belt against 20-3-1 Vusi Malinga. Who sucks and was KOd in one round by Hozumi Hasegawa just a couple fights before and since has lost three more fights.

He won a vacant 122 pound belt against 36-4 Alexander Munoz. Who had just lost to Koki Kameda.

He won a vacant 126 pound belt against Abner Mares. His best win which to me isn't that impressive since Mares hasn't looked nearly as good as he did before he moved up in weight.

That's three vacant titles. Looks like the Adrien Broner blueprint but worse (at least DeMarco was a legit champion). He didn't fight the best. He didn't dominate any division and he admittedly avoided top fighters. Why on earth should he be ranked highly?




Is that the only criteria now to determine who would win a fight, resume? Donaire beat better fighters than Rigondeaux and had a better resume, did that mean Donaire beat Rigondeaux? Of course not. Just watch LSC fight and compare that to Golovkin. Who's the better fighter? If your say LSC you're lying to yourself and you know it. Besides, LSC doesn't have some amazing resume here, he beat Abner Mares big deal, Mares hasn't been the same guy since moving up in weight, which was pretty obvious when he got KOd in one round. What else has he done, won some vacant titles because he has a manager powerful enough to line them up? I'm sorry I'm not impressed and fighters who avoid the top fighters in the division should not be praised or rewarded. That should count against them.

Now list all the vacant titles GGG won

Apparently you have reading comprehension issues.

Golovkin has fought 9 top ten middleweight fighters and has consistently gone after the very best in his division and other title holders. LSC hasn't fought the top guys in his respective divisions. But more importantly, my post wasn't a LSC vs GGG post; it was an LSC post. TS asked why he isn't top ten p4p and I broke it down.

[Larry the boss]

Apparently you have reading comprehension issues.

Golovkin has fought 9 top ten middleweight fighters and has consistently gone after the very best in his division and other title holders. LSC hasn't fought the top guys in his respective divisions. But more importantly, my post wasn't a LSC vs GGG post; it was an LSC post. TS asked why he isn't top ten p4p and I broke it down.

I read fine,i see you highlighted all the vacant titles LSC won..now highlight the vacant titles GGG has won and how he has not fought but one current champion who himself won a vacant title

[ИATAS]

I read fine,i see you highlighted all the vacant titles LSC won..now highlight the vacant titles GGG has won and how he has not fought but one current champion who himself won a vacant title

Are you ******ed? You literally are talking about something else entirely even after I explained it to you. You're trying to make this a "Golovkin vs LSC resume" when that's not what I'm posting.

Even if I were to take the bait, Golovkin has the better resume, period. He's fought the better overall fighters. Murray, Geale, Macklin, Lemieux, Monroe, Stevens, Rosado, Rubio is better than LSC's resume of Abner Mares and that's it. You want to toss in an old Cristian Mijares? Sure go for it. Still not as good.

Further, as I already mentioned several times, LSC has turned down fights with the best in his division. He's refused to fight title holders & the #1-5 guys. Golovkin hasn't. GGG has tried to fight every top middleweight. LSC has avoided them. That's a huge negative on LSC.

[Loque-san]

Santa Cruz is not a featherweight champion... and definitely doesn't belong in a P4P list... and no way Mares is a bettter win than Gamboa.

[SilverMiles]

In g strings case (Crawford too a lesser degree) all this speed, power., skill and technique were on display vs MUCH lesser opposition than the fighters on LSCs resume

I disagree. LSC isn't as good as GGG or Crawford. Majority of the boxing world agrees.

[just the facts]

I disagree. LSC isn't as good as GGG or Crawford. Majority of the boxing world agrees.

Just think team g string could have made this discussion a mute point by accepting the Ward fight a 168.

LSCs resume craps all over g strings, no one with a brain disagrees. Not all that hard to look elite vs g strings resume.

[SilverMiles]

Just think team g string could have made this discussion a mute point by accepting the Ward fight a 168.

LSCs resume craps all over g strings, no one with a brain disagrees. Not all that hard to look elite vs g strings resume.

GGG > LSC those just be the facts. See what I did there.