how is come Leo Santa Cruz not in Rings Magazine/ESPN top 10 P4P list

[just the facts]

Any one of his title defenses takes a dump on the taxi cab drivers LSC has been fighting. He gets one good win and all of a sudden that makes up for an otherwise totally vapid, empty career? Please bro I pick GGG's resume overall over LSC's any day of the week.

Totally disagree, Terrazas, Mijares, Munoz, and Morel are all at least as good as anyone on g strings resume and Mares is head and shoulders above anyone g string has fought.

[SlySlickSmooth]

I'm pretty sure at least 3 of his last 5 opponents have been part-time insurance or construction workers.

Not even joking, the broadcast usually mentioned it every time he fought until recently against Mares.

[Larry the boss]

Are you ******ed? You literally are talking about something else entirely even after I explained it to you. You're trying to make this a "Golovkin vs LSC resume" when that's not what I'm posting.

Even if I were to take the bait, Golovkin has the better resume, period. He's fought the better overall fighters. Murray, Geale, Macklin, Lemieux, Monroe, Stevens, Rosado, Rubio is better than LSC's resume of Abner Mares and that's it. You want to toss in an old Cristian Mijares? Sure go for it. Still not as good.

Further, as I already mentioned several times, LSC has turned down fights with the best in his division. He's refused to fight title holders & the #1-5 guys. Golovkin hasn't. GGG has tried to fight every top middleweight. LSC has avoided them. That's a huge negative on LSC.

Now list all those vacant titles GGG has won.....and you just listed utter **** for GGG's resume...you keep skipping around the fact he has been collecting vacant belts but wanted to down the titles LSC won...who the hell did GGG win his from?

[daggum]

lemieux lost 4 years ago and people bring it up every time they talk about ggg fighting him while ignoring what he did in the last 4 years yet mares recently was ko'd in 1 round and hasn't fought anyone since...santa cruz beat mares that was a great win! are you having fun twisting your brain into a pretzel in order to reach these conclusions?

[Larry the boss]

lemieux lost 4 years ago and people bring it up every time they talk about ggg fighting him while ignoring what he did in the last 4 years yet mares recently was ko'd in 1 round and hasn't fought anyone since...santa cruz beat mares that was a great win! are you having fun twisting your brain into a pretzel in order to reach these conclusions?

what exactly did Lemieux do the last 4 years?? beat Rosado?

[DreamerUSA]

Now list all those vacant titles GGG has won.....and you just listed utter **** for GGG's resume...you keep skipping around the fact he has been collecting vacant belts but wanted to down the titles LSC won...who the hell did GGG win his from?

GGG was elevated to WBA regular and Super, and beat Lemieux for the IBF. That said, by beating Lemieux he earned his Super status with the WBA. I don't know why people have to insist on harping on **** from years ago, when as of right now GGG has earned the two straps he has, period. The guy is absolutely destroying anyone in the middleweight division willing to step in the ring with him, and arguably has'nt lost a round in years. LSC on the other hand was getting tagged up by a literal insurance salesman, who was moving up a weight class, the fight before Mares. Not to mention the blatant ducks from LSC in his own weight class. Now Mares was a damn good win, not going to lie, I thought Mares would beat him.

Anyways, anyone that actually thinks LSC is a better fighter than GGG in any way shape or form, outside of volume, needs to put the pipe down.

[Larry the boss]

GGG was elevated to WBA regular and Super, and beat Lemieux for the IBF. That said, by beating Lemieux he earned his Super status with the WBA. I don't know why people have to insist on harping on **** from years ago, when as of right now GGG has earned the two straps he has, period. The guy is absolutely destroying anyone in the middleweight division willing to step in the ring with him, and arguably has'nt lost a round in years. LSC on the other hand was getting tagged up by a literal insurance salesman, who was moving up a weight class, the fight before Mares. Not to mention the blatant ducks from LSC in his own weight class. Now Mares was a damn good win, not going to lie, I thought Mares would beat him.

Anyways, anyone that actually thinks LSC is a better fighter than GGG in any way shape or form, outside of volume, needs to put the pipe down.

When GGG fights and beats any fighter as good as Mares let me know..dude has been fighting nobodies and getting handed titles..and they gave him the super status with the Geale fight not the Lemiuex fight

[DreamerUSA]

When GGG fights and beats any fighter as good as Mares let me know..dude has been fighting nobodies and getting handed titles..and they gave him the super status with the Geale fight not the Lemiuex fight

I said in my post that he was elevated to Super, but either way the Lemieux win would of earned him his super status, even if he had'nt of been elevated. So again he has earned the two straps he has, period.

[ИATAS]

When GGG fights and beats any fighter as good as Mares let me know..dude has been fighting nobodies and getting handed titles..and they gave him the super status with the Geale fight not the Lemiuex fight

GGG already had a title. He was elevated from "regular" & "super" when the mandatory refused to fight him again and was stripped, the whole regular & super from a ******ed organization is ****** as hell in the first place. It's the opposite of LSC who flat out refused to fight the best and chose to fight the worst ranked fighters possible for vacant belts. One guy is getting ducked the other guy is doing the ducking.