Al Haymon/PBC are doing their fighters a grave disservice.

[Lester Tutor]

Now Haymon is a producer? I thought he was a manager, then advisor, in court being called a promoter but this is a new bogus title I haven't heard producer? Anything to admit the truth I guess. The reason these fighters don't have a promoter speaking on their behalf is because that man is Haymon and there is a lot of legal gray area to the multiple hats he's wearing and he strategically doesn't want to appear too much as a promoter. He's not a ****** man and if not for the legal fall out would hire someone to answer these promoter like questions and make promoter like comments and statements. The moment Schaefer or anyone else starts doing so on PBC behalf immediately that will be used against him in court. Its a fact they are already using statements that multiple fighters in public interviews made when they slipped up and called haymon their promoter. Thats part of lawsuits against him. But you wonder why he doesn't hire an actual promoter front man? Come on use your head people.

I say he is a Producer. I don't care what or who you're contextualizing about "now you are saying..." don't mix my opinions to whatever else you read. PBC is a platform on broadcast television. It's an investment. Premiere Boxing Champions is a Production with much harder broadcast protocols than your normal HBO after dark or PPV! Lol

And..

"Premier Boxing Champions (PBC), was created for television by Haymon Sports, LLC, in January 2015. The PBC is a boxing series that returns the sweet science to its rightful place atop the sports pantheon.

Featuring today’s best and brightest stars in their toughest, most anticipated bouts, Premier Boxing Champions is broadcast live and free to air on NBC, NBC Sports Network, ESPN and ESPN Deportes, CBS, FOX Sports 1, FOX Deportes, Spike TV and Bounce TV.

PBC takes boxing back to its roots. This is boxing, pure and simple, where what’s brought to the fight, mentally and physically, is what determines who goes home the winner, and who just goes home.

Bouts featured within the PBC Series are promoted by licensed promoters, with each bout in accordance with applicable regulatory rules and regulations."

[al-Xander]

Constant mismatches speak for themselves. Hiring Dana White won't cut the mustard. It is what it is.

[bigdunny1]

A manager can speak publicly about their fighters fight and a manager can have a lot of control about what a fighter under them does.

PBC's closest comparison is HBO, does HBO violate the Ali act because they essentially do the exact same stuff and they do actually control the narrative with the fighters associated with them. They tell pretty much every promoter what to do to be on their programs and what fights to make. What is the difference between them?

HBO does not manage any fighters they are simply a network. I never hear HBO giving updates on how a fighter is doing in training camp or stating that a fight broke down because the other fighter wanted more money, or handling damage control on a fighters behalf because a out of the ring crisis ect. For HBO fighters these type of acrions come from top rank, golden boy, k2, main events etc not hbo. They come from that fighters promoter. The problem is there is no closet thing to Haymon to compare to because that doesn't exist. And until the court system and government has its say on whether any of what haymon is doing is legal I wouldn't bet on him hiring a guy who is a former promoter front man to come act like a promoter front man for PBC.

[The Gambler1981]

HBO does not manage any fighters they are simply a network. I never hear HBO giving updates on how a fighter is doing in training camp or stating that a fight broke down because the other fighter wanted more money, or handling damage control on a fighters behalf because a out of the ring crisis ect. For HBO fighters these type of acrions come from top rank, golden boy, k2, main events etc not hbo. They come from that fighters promoter. The problem is there is no closet thing to Haymon to compare to because that doesn't exist. And until the court system and government has its say on whether any of what haymon is doing is legal I wouldn't bet on him hiring a guy who is a former promoter front man to come act like a promoter front man for PBC.

PBC is simply a network then, they do the same thing really. I see HBO say all kinds of stuff and someone like Arum saying well HBO didn't like Khan so we went Bradley what does that say about HBO's position. HBO was the one that axed all of Haymon's fighters and made a whole big deal about it directly and publicly.

What do you call The Fight Game and any other show HBO does to promote their broadcasts and PPV. That ain't GBP and Top Rank producing those shows.

If the government cared they would be bringing action against Haymon and your argument would be different. PBC can do a lot more and Haymon should hire someone to run it anyway just to gain more separation which would make his position better.

[Lester Tutor]

PBC is simply a network then, they do the same thing really. I see HBO say all kinds of stuff and someone like Arum saying well HBO didn't like Khan so we went Bradley what does that say about HBO's position. HBO was the one that axed all of Haymon's fighters and made a whole big deal about it directly and publicly.

What do you call The Fight Game and any other show HBO does to promote their broadcasts and PPV. That ain't GBP and Top Rank producing those shows.

If the government cared they would be bringing action against Haymon and your argument would be different. PBC can do a lot more and Haymon should hire someone to run it anyway just to gain more separation which would make his position better.

PBC is not a network it is a Production platform purchased from various networks, just like you would watch Baseball or Basketball on different networks.

What you're complaining about makes no sense...

Again people content with a status quo they bring up irrelevant criticisms that are not even applicable. If one thinks PBC is tacky now because it's young ok, we get it... as the BRAND evolves we will then see bigger fighters making appearances. Some people on NSB come off as interns from HBOs wing being brainwashed into thinking only one way benefits boxing. Lol

[bigdunny1]

Again Arum is saying that not HBO. The promoters handle all that, update the media, field those questions and makes the fights and HBO decides whether it wants to buy it or not. But HBO ain't doing the stuff Schaefer was doing for golden boy which is what you people want PBC to hire him to do. Why hire a promoter front man to act like a promoter front man when you in court denying you a promoter in mega lawsuits? Whether you think haymon has anything to worry about with lawsuits is your opinion but clearly he is thinking about the lawsuits and his appearance as a promoter otherwise he would have someone for that role. The reason he doesn't already have this is because you got promoters using checks he paid to fighters something only a promoter does as evidence in the lawsuit. They are using video interviews his fighters made calling him their promoter as evidence in the lawsuit. They are filing motions to force him to open up his books. It's foolish to not think the moment a PBC employee starts talking and acting like a promoter in the media that that won't also be used as evidence as well.

There is a reason he wants PBC to operate in secrecy hell he denies press passes to numerous media outlets that have questioned his advisor role and match making. If he wanted everything to be more public and transparent like you asking for he would make it that way but that would open him up to more lawsuits.

[about.thousands]

In your first post that's not what you described you brought up talking about the negotiations between Thurman vs porter and talking about money split and other logistics and why it's delayed something only a promoter would talk about not HBO or Showtime. Then brought up Oscar and an example when a fighter has an outside the ring crisis again something a promoter would talk about not HBO or Showtime. You saying media relation because you know damn well its a fine line and haymon is in court defending himself as not a promoter. But you describing the role of a promoter front man you even compared these actions to Schaefer not HBO or Showtime. And hiring a former promoter to do what he did as a promoter with golden boy is what you proposed. But the legal domino effect is why haymon doesn't speak and the duties of your normal promoter are not fulfilled by these promoters PBC hires is because we all know what's going on. THEY ARE NOT REALLY PROMOTING. Haymon is but because lawsuits can't talk or hire a guy to talk like one. Thats the answer why this role dont exist.

And PBC already has a media relation person. You want PBC to hire a former promoter front man to act like a promoter front man for PBC but then pretend you don't know Haymon is really a promoter. LMAO

Here's manager Cameron Dunkin talking about the delay in Brook vs. Rios and what's the hold up

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCWsDekmoEc

Here's Greenburg talking about Floyd's problems outside the ring and why his next fight is being held up
http://www.mlive.com/mayweather/2011...etwork_wa.html

So you're saying Dunkin and Greenburg are actually Promoters? You're reaching.

[The Gambler1981]

PBC is not a network it is a Production platform purchased from various networks, just like you would watch Baseball or Basketball on different networks.

What you're complaining about makes no sense...

Again people content with a status quo they bring up irrelevant criticisms that are not even applicable. If one thinks PBC is tacky now because it's young ok, we get it... as the BRAND evolves we will then see bigger fighters making appearances. Some people on NSB come off as interns from HBOs wing being brainwashed into thinking only one way benefits boxing. Lol

But it essential functions as a network working through syndication. I am not complaining so that is why you probably think that makes no sense, I am fine with PBC. You could call HBO a league I suppose either way they do comparable stuff.

[bigdunny1]

Here's manager Cameron Dunkin talking about the delay in Brook vs. Rios and what's the hold up

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCWsDekmoEc

Here's Greenburg talking about Floyd's problems outside the ring and why his next fight is being held up
http://www.mlive.com/mayweather/2011...etwork_wa.html

So you're saying Dunkin and Greenburg are actually Promoters? You're reaching.

Dunkin is the manager he can say whatever he wants about his fighters. What does he have to do with anything? And greenburg making a statement that he doesn't know when Mayweather will appear on HBO again because he was going to jail has nothing to do with what you said you wanted schaefer to do for PBC. Im using your examples and the person you described for the role. You didn't say PBC needs a greenburg type guy making statements you said schafer when he was with golden boy because you know damn well the difference in what guys like Schaefer say and do and what greenburg says and does. And the examples you describe are things HBO doesn't talk about the promoters for those fighters like Schaefer when he was with golden boy do that.

[Eff Pandas]

They are in court saying it's not but we all know it clearly is. Haymon is handling all the duties of a promoter

A promoter has a very clear job & Haymon isn't doing it. He is clearly outsourcing those duties which doesn't appear to be against the MAA or at worst its arguably it is cuz the definition of a promoter in the MAA is silly & would cover networks as well as people with license to promote.

The reason dibella or warriors or whatever sham promoter he hires can't comment is because they have no real authority, power, hell clue what fights are next when they don't know if they will even be the promoter for the next fight. They have none of the fighters under contract Haymon does and he really promotes the fight with his PBC and hires promoters with a small flat fee to use their license as a loop hole around the Ali act whether this is legal or not is being debated in court. Hiring a spokesman to act as a promoter will just help the lawsuit against him that he's really a promoter.

Half of this is true, half isn't. I definitely believe Haymon is controlling what fights happen where (just like HBO does), but the promoters have their own rosters that they bring into play too. In fact thats why PBC has grown so powerful so quick. They have Haymon's 200 boxers, they have DiBella's 50 or so boxers, GYM's 20 or so guys, Warriors Boxing's 40 or w/e guys & so on with the 15 or so promoters he has relationships with.

Dont act like you are new to NSB. You know its hard for them to understand

Haha

I don't seen anything long-term with this PBC. Look at what Haymon, Schaefer and TBE did to SHO.

They've been predicting SHO would make HBO irrelevant. What happened?

I'd say Showtime didn't take advantage of having Mayweather on their team if anything. They seemed to think just having Mayweather & not trying to build more guys or bring more guys in while Mayweather was there was a winning plan. Mayweather's deal was gonna end. Showtime did lil besides Mayweather's fights. Showtime misplayed there hand. Seems to have lil to do with anyone else to me.

A manager can speak publicly about their fighters fight and a manager can have a lot of control about what a fighter under them does.

PBC's closest comparison is HBO, does HBO violate the Ali act because they essentially do the exact same stuff and they do actually control the narrative with the fighters associated with them. They tell pretty much every promoter what to do to be on their programs and what fights to make. What is the difference between them?

This. There is really lil to no difference between what Haymon is doing & what HBO has been doing for decades.