Al Haymon/PBC are doing their fighters a grave disservice.

[Lester Tutor]

there you go. a manager having control over which fights his promoter can make is clearly a conflict of interest.

Ellaborate. That doesn't make any sense. PBC is not a promotional company.

[bigdunny1]

Ellaborate. That doesn't make any sense. PBC is not a promotional company.

They are in court saying it's not but we all know it clearly is. Haymon is handling all the duties of a promoter while he is officially a manager which is technically illegal and now people want his company to hire a figure head to make comments and answer questions like a promoter. LMAO

The reason dibella or warriors or whatever sham promoter he hires can't comment is because they have no real authority, power, hell clue what fights are next when they don't know if they will even be the promoter for the next fight. They have none of the fighters under contract Haymon does and he really promotes the fight with his PBC and hires promoters with a small flat fee to use their license as a loop hole around the Ali act whether this is legal or not is being debated in court. Hiring a spokesman to act as a promoter will just help the lawsuit against him that he's really a promoter.

[about.thousands]

The problem is the job you describing is called a promoter. Haymon is not a promoter and is in court denying he's one. So you want him to hire someone to basically do the job of a promoter on PBC behalf? Sure that will play out well in court. LMAO

I'm saying PBC needs a media relations person to handle the media. How is that the job of a promoter? HBO has one. Showtime has one. All companies have media relations to make sure their brand isn't tarnished. So now hiring media relations is a promoter?

[Lester Tutor]

They are in court saying it's not but we all know it clearly is. Haymon is handling all the duties of a promoter while he is officially a manager which is technically illegal and now people want his company to hire a figure head to make comments and answer questions like a promoter. LMAO

The reason dibella or warriors or whatever sham promoter he hires can't comment is because they have no real authority, power, hell clue what fights are next when they don't know if they will even be the promoter for the next fight. They have none of the fighters under contract Haymon does and he really promotes the fight with his PBC and hires promoters with a small flat fee to use their license as a loop hole around the Ali act whether this is legal or not is being debated in court. Hiring a spokesman to act as a promoter will just help the lawsuit against him that he's really a promoter.

No no. The problem is boxing fans believing that the status quo should and only shall be HBO, Showtime, ESPN (old) or PPV etc. That means conflicts of interests. Network conflicts for trying to essentially monopolize.

Haymon is a Producer that has been working with fighters strategically even when their original contracts were active. How dou you think Top Rank or GBP would feel once their fighter is out and they say I will now work on PBC... You guys are favoring promoters having renewing and exclusive rights even after contracts are up.

Not hard to understand.

[Fetta]

Not hard to understand.

Dont act like you are new to NSB. You know its hard for them to understand

[bigdunny1]

I'm saying PBC needs a media relations person to handle the media. How is that the job of a promoter? HBO has one. Showtime has one. All companies have media relations to make sure their brand isn't tarnished. So now hiring media relations is a promoter?

In your first post that's not what you described you brought up talking about the negotiations between Thurman vs porter and talking about money split and other logistics and why it's delayed something only a promoter would talk about not HBO or Showtime. Then brought up Oscar and an example when a fighter has an outside the ring crisis again something a promoter would talk about not HBO or Showtime. You saying media relation because you know damn well its a fine line and haymon is in court defending himself as not a promoter. But you describing the role of a promoter front man you even compared these actions to Schaefer not HBO or Showtime. And hiring a former promoter to do what he did as a promoter with golden boy is what you proposed. But the legal domino effect is why haymon doesn't speak and the duties of your normal promoter are not fulfilled by these promoters PBC hires is because we all know what's going on. THEY ARE NOT REALLY PROMOTING. Haymon is but because lawsuits can't talk or hire a guy to talk like one. Thats the answer why this role dont exist.

And PBC already has a media relation person. You want PBC to hire a former promoter front man to act like a promoter front man for PBC but then pretend you don't know Haymon is really a promoter. LMAO

[al-Xander]

I don't seen anything long-term with this PBC. Look at what Haymon, Schaefer and TBE did to SHO.

They've been predicting SHO would make HBO irrelevant. What happened?

[bigdunny1]

No no. The problem is boxing fans believing that the status quo should and only shall be HBO, Showtime, ESPN (old) or PPV etc. That means conflicts of interests. Network conflicts for trying to essentially monopolize.

Haymon is a Producer that has been working with fighters strategically even when their original contracts were active. How dou you think Top Rank or GBP would feel once their fighter is out and they say I will now work on PBC... You guys are favoring promoters having renewing and exclusive rights even after contracts are up.

Not hard to understand.

Now Haymon is a producer? I thought he was a manager, then advisor, in court being called a promoter but this is a new bogus title I haven't heard producer? Anything to admit the truth I guess. The reason these fighters don't have a promoter speaking on their behalf is because that man is Haymon and there is a lot of legal gray area to the multiple hats he's wearing and he strategically doesn't want to appear too much as a promoter. He's not a ****** man and if not for the legal fall out would hire someone to answer these promoter like questions and make promoter like comments and statements. The moment Schaefer or anyone else starts doing so on PBC behalf immediately that will be used against him in court. Its a fact they are already using statements that multiple fighters in public interviews made when they slipped up and called haymon their promoter. Thats part of lawsuits against him. But you wonder why he doesn't hire an actual promoter front man? Come on use your head people.

[The Gambler1981]

A manager can speak publicly about their fighters fight and a manager can have a lot of control about what a fighter under them does.

PBC's closest comparison is HBO, does HBO violate the Ali act because they essentially do the exact same stuff and they do actually control the narrative with the fighters associated with them. They tell pretty much every promoter what to do to be on their programs and what fights to make. What is the difference between them?

[The Gambler1981]

Plus outsiders can't even really bring Ali' violations up they have 0 standing in those cases, it would have to come from fighters who got screwed over, not business rivals.

Anti-trust sure but that is going to be hard to prove always is, plus Haymon doesn't control the market enough to really be called a monopoly at this point.