Al Haymon/PBC are doing their fighters a grave disservice.

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  • about.thousands
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    Al Haymon/PBC are doing their fighters a grave disservice.

    PBC fighters and PBC associated fighters are killed in the media and no-one from PBC speaks out. Very few fighters have the mental strength of Floyd Mayweather, a person who thrives off criticism and doesn't let it bother him. This is evident in someone like Danny Garcia. He's said he wishes the fans and media loved him more. Keith Thurman has been getting killed for allegedly ducking Porter, or allegedly asking for more money to fight Porter. We don't know if either allegation is true but since it's been put out there by the media and no-one from PBC has denied it, it's taken as the truth. When the pictures of Oscars first came out Schaefer was well ahead of it. Defending Oscar, saying it was photoshopped, demeaning the ********** who took them. Of course Oscar later admitted it but Schaefer was controlling the narrative.

    Right now the narrative is PBC fighters are overpaid, fight weak competition, and aren't as good as HBO fighters. Just look at the Wilder vs. Povetkin situation. Most people still believe Wilder is ducking Povetkin when that's not even close to the truth. When HBO was getting killed in the media by the most respected boxing writer they did something about it. They hired him! Not saying PBC should do the same thing but a little brown nosing wouldn't hurt.

    I have no doubt their plan will work. But when casual fans go to read about boxing they rely on the most respected companies in sports to form their opinions, SI and ESPN. Not giving Rafael, Iole, Mannix, and Pugmire a direct line to a PBC representative is a mistake and it hurts their brand and their fighters. In my opinion Paulie Malignaggi or Richard Schafer would be perfect for this job.
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    PBC doesn't have anyone in the public eye to speak on or address these issues since Haymon is comfortable just working behind the scenes. I think that's why at least Floyd has been kinda adamant about bringing Schaefer aboard.

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      They need a figurehead. Its like they are copying the UFC model without having a Dana White. I think Schaefer could or will likely be this guy, or maybe they'll get someone more likable. But as of right now its kind of this headless entity since Haymon runs things from the shadows. They really do need a head guy, someone that talks to the media all the time for promotion and to just talk about the PBC and everything that's going on. Without one everything feels like a mystery.

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        That is one of their biggest issues they have no one to push their narrative, boxing is a business of constantly selling something and right now PBC is not selling much of anything really. The networks do some and the fighters do some but the PBC leg of the stool is nonexistent and 2 legged stools have an inherent problem.

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          Originally posted by The Gambler1981
          That is one of their biggest issues they have no one to push their narrative, boxing is a business of constantly selling something and right now PBC is not selling much of anything really. The networks do some and the fighters do some but the PBC leg of the stool is nonexistent and 2 legged stools have an inherent problem.
          It's weird man. You would think because casuals don't know who the heck Al Haymon is and since this PBC thing is trying to get casuals aboard that they would have someone out there in the public eye who people could say is the face of the brand, but they don't have anybody. I don't get how they expect this to work. I mean the least they could do is get Sam Watson out there talking

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            Originally posted by Rip Chudd
            It's weird man. You would think because casuals don't know who the heck Al Haymon is and since this PBC thing is trying to get casuals aboard that they would have someone out there in the public eye who people could say is the face of the brand, but they don't have anybody. I don't get how they expect this to work. I mean the least they could do is get Sam Watson out there talking
            That is why you have to assume the man will be Schaeffer because that role is important, if they weren't looking in his direction the spot would have been filled.

            They should have had a stop gap if that was the plan though, letting this kind of just twist in the wind was something they seriously messed up on.

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              PBC is a media/public relations disaster.

              PBC has nobody available to the media to answer even simple questions about their operation.

              The promoters they use don't actually make any decisions so it is pointless to ask them anything.

              Haymon's arrogance is astounding. Nobody says he has to give away all of his secret plans or incriminate himself...just answer some basic questions that the media and the fans want to know every once in a while.

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                100% PBC fighters & PBC itself suffers from having their narrative formed & controlled by the masses &/or their enemies.

                I do contend that there could be issues with having a figurehead due to the concerns with a violation of the MAA. I think you could open a bigger bag of worms by having Richard or Paulie (I love the idea of Paulie having this sorta job btw, good idea) talking about Wilder vs Povetkin for example going down on Apr. 30 @ the MGM Grand & promoted by TGB Promotions & then the media goes to talk to Tom Brown (TGB Promotions head) & he don't know wtf is up with that fight lol.

                I think there is a ton of miscommunication among PBC people is a bigger problem to fix first. Just the other day Jose Pedraza's people thought he had a fight on Feb. 20(?) only to find out that his next fight is going to be a month later & the guy was already in training camp ffs. That shouldn't be happening. Zero excuse for it. And maybe the biggest PBC fight thus far, Thurman vs Porter with a date still TBD, has bad PR right now cuz the Porter's, who are down with PBC & Haymon, are in the media saying all sorts of negative **** or just confused with their situation type ****. That shouldn't be going on either.

                So maybe they need to get all those types of things in order before they open themselves to even more damaging scrutiny with bigger eff ups that having a figurehead could bring.

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                  Schaefer will be perfect for that job. They can't sign him up soon enough.

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                    Originally posted by ИATAS
                    They need a figurehead. Its like they are copying the UFC model without having a Dana White. I think Schaefer could or will likely be this guy, or maybe they'll get someone more likable. But as of right now its kind of this headless entity since Haymon runs things from the shadows. They really do need a head guy, someone that talks to the media all the time for promotion and to just talk about the PBC and everything that's going on. Without one everything feels like a mystery.
                    LOL @ the bold, but yea.

                    I still believe the concerns over the MAA add a extra degree of risk with PBC vs the UFC's model.

                    Having said that I think just having a weekly 30min PBC show on one of these 9 or whatever channels would go a long way towards creating a PBC narrative thats currently missing. HBO doesn't really talk all that much either (although granted more than PBC), but they are able to steer their narrative with Jim Lampley's show a lil bit.

                    Thinking about this more I suppose you could make Lou DiBella "the head of PBC communications" cuz he's an active PBC promoter, he has many connections to PBC related guys already (believe the Warriors Boxing guy is his lawyer among other connections), he obviously loves to talk + is the most Dana White-like guy in boxing that has that same Dana White way about him to entertain & if you threw him some extra money or a extra % or two his way he'd probably be willing to stay on top of the PBC web & make sure the t's cross & the i's dot before he goes around saying things outta school. I mean he used to run HBO boxing so the guy gots to be good at getting things done, not showing all his cards while not being a hermit either & networking.

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