stop the madnesss, GGG doesnt have 15 title defenses and isnt close to any record

[Nay_Sayer]

Why does it matter? Even Hopkins "title defenses" are flawed because its not equivalent to the 1 belt/1 champion system that was in place in the old days.

Hopkins won and defended the lineal title. There is NO flaw in that...

[-PBP-]

Hopkins won and defended the lineal title. There is NO flaw in that...

Yes but not 20 times.

[Nay_Sayer]

now that you mentioned it....who was the highest ranking GGG opponent...I know Lemmie was 5


Was Murray or Geale as high as 2 when he beat them

Qullin was 2 and that's pretty high

Murray and Geale may have been top 5 but definitely not top 2. I don't think anyone can make a coherent argument for Lemieux being higher than #5 @ 160...

[Nay_Sayer]

Yes but not 20 times.

No argument there. Hopkins most certainly spent many years as the true #1 160lb'er in the world - while the lineal title was vacant - and that in itself is an accomplishment. Hopkins' resume @ 160 is quite impressive and Bumlovkin will never come close to matching it, IMO...

[therealpugilist]

Hopkins won and defended the lineal title. There is NO flaw in that...

after he beat Holmes and Trinidad he was the one true champion....he defended 6 times.....vs ODLH, Joppy, Robert Allen, Carl Daniels, Morrade Hakkar and Howard Eastman



Everything else was just defenses of the IBF trinket....their were too many belts and titleholders floating around from 1995-2001 just to say Hopkins was the champion......he proved it in the ring in 2001

[kafkod]

no dumby....my logic says titles are won in the ring and not message boards....Canelo is the champion and GGG is a top contender


those are the facts and arguing who is the best is just opinion...I like both fighters

Unless the champion refuses to get in the ring with his top contender.

[therealpugilist]

Unless the champion refuses to get in the ring with his top contender.

BRUUUUUUUUH.....You beat the champion in the ring....you dont get credit for not making fights or them not happnening, why is that so hard for people on this forum to understand :bukkake:

[Dr Rumack]

B-Hop wasn't the real champ until he beat Tito.

Golovkin still hasn't become the lineal champ.

It's not controversial.

[_Maxi]

how can he be the best middleweight when he hasn't faced the top middleweights


their is no best until they fight each other......the champion is Canelo and the top contenders are GGG, Jacobs and Lee/Saunders winner.(contenders with trinkets, GGG as well)


that's the problem with newbie as boxing fans....they dont want the fighters to earn anything, just have it given to them


nothing is given in boxing, you have to earn it.....He isn't the best middleweight until he fights the best middleweights and he hasnt

Don't be ****** man. The champion is not Canelo. Canelo beat a Junior MW that had beat a pseudo retired one legged Martinez for the lineal championship.

How in the world can you say that it means that he's the 160 champion? Golovkin is. Your ****ing ***** champion is asking for a CW to fight GGG, COME ****ING ON.

[DreamerUSA]

He was interim champion, got elevated to regular champion and given the super champion title and never won it in the ring


Hagler and Monzon were the lineal champions and undisputed their reigns and Hagler had 12 defenses and Monzon had 14....their were alphabet titles back then too and people act like their wasn't


Monzon beat hall of famer Nino Benvenuti who was lineal/wbc and wba title in 1970...IN THE RING....was stripped of the wbc in '74 and won it back by beating title holder Valdez and ended his career with a rematch.....he had 14 total defenses


Hagler beat Allan Minter for the linea/ Ring/ wbc and WBA titles...IN THE RING....won the vacant ibf in 83 and lost the lineal title to Leonard after 12 defenses


I hate when people make up records to try and pump up a fighters resume.....Just like Hopkins, he has 20 IBF defenses at 160 but only 6 lineal/undisputed title defenses, therefore he holds no record....ITS A DISSERVICE TO THESE TWO ALL TIME GREATS TO MAKE FAKE RECORDS OF HOPKINS AND GGG

While I certainly agree that the defenses is an absolute joke, I will disagree on him earning his status in the ring. He won the IBF title in the ring and even if he had still been regular champ, that fight would of made him Super champion. Basicly you have to cling to being butthurt that he was elevated from interim to regular champion to say he has'nt earned his spot. The guy has rampaged through the division and destroyed anyone willing to step in the ring with him. He can't control sanctioning bodies and he can't make guys fight him. Clinging to the whole he has'nt earned it routine just sounds petty and pathetic at this point. Before he beat Lemieux the argument carried some weight. Now, not so much.