Al Haymon and The Porters

[OnePunch]

What did he do?

he made an absurd claim that a US tv rights fee from HBO or Showtime would cover the entire event, and still have money left over for the promoter to keep.

As a promoter that was involved in plenty of shows, dealing with Showtime, HBO, HBO PPV, and ESPN, I informed him that no, typically a promoter would try and get the rights fee to cover the tv fights, and use the gate, foreign rights, advertising, etc to cover the ancillary expenses and the profit.

He came back claiming that any promoter that operated that way was was a small time nobody, so I pointed out that Saturdays card had Quillin and Jacobs each getting $1.5 million, Cuellar getting $200k, and Oquendo getting $100k, and that theres no way Showtime paid over $3.3 million for the rights.

He then comes back saying Dibella knew he had gate money and foreign sales, which was EXACTLY what I was saying from the beginning.

It was hilarious watching him backpeddle. And now today he isnt even man enough to admit he was wrong. Nope. lol

[OnePunch]

I've got nothing to apologize for, and I stand by every word that I wrote in that thread.

Not my problem that "One Punch Productions" is so inept an idea that you support promoters putting on TV broadcasts, expecting not to actually make any money off of the actual broadcast.

lol idiot. I guess Dibella is inept, because Showtime only paid between $2.4 and $2.6 million for a show that the 2 tv fights by themselves cost $3.3 million.

So please enlighten us all as to how Lou made money off the "broadcast"?

And dont try and add in foreign sales, gate, etc because thats the complete opposite of what you said yesterday

[.:: JSFD26 ::.]

Is this relating to the Broner fight? If so, Ill answer your question of "Why?" Because Broner is/was the marketable fighter and Porter wasn't. Because Broner would had brought "Unc" more money (had he won) than Porter.

Simple.

[OnePunch]

What did he do?

this is the conversation........

Before paying for a co-feature bout, getting some money to the promoters of the fight, covering the rest of the undercard, etc, you've already spent the entire night's budget that HBO has been giving K2 to put on Golovkin fights.

thats what the live gate, foreign sales, sponsors, advertising, merchandise, etc is for.........

If you, as a promoter, are willing to put a fight on TV, for a channel where you make no money for putting the fight on TV, you are the definition of an utter **** promoter.

Canelo-Kirkland, even after the hooplah of 40k people in attendance, only did $2m at the gate, before deducting the costs related to actually putting on the fight (renting of the venue, insurance fees, marketing/promotion for the events, various sanctioning fees, etc).

Imagine how ****ing ****** a promoter Oscar De La Hoya would've been if he were to actually put on an event not expecting to make any money off of the US TV rights. gtfoh.

you're an idiot. Its commonplace for the promoter to try and get the rights fees to cover the tv fights, and use the other revenue streams for other expenses and profit. If promoters only used your brilliant logic, there would be no risk, and a promoter would never lose money. Only problem is, 80% of the fights would never get made.

You dont know jack **** about what you're talking about.

You are literally trying to argue that a fight promoter will happily take a fight card to TV, knowing that they shouldn't expect any money from the TV. lol

No wonder you're only an imaginary promoter on NSB.

dude, you really should just stop.

you are trying to say that not only does the domestic rights fee cover all the event costs and even provide some profit, but in addition the promoter keeps the live gate, foreign rights, advertising, sponsors, merchandise, and on and on??

You say alot of really ****** **** on here, but wow, this is definitely top 5..........

ok genius, answer this:

Tonite Quillin got $1.5 million, and Jacobs got $1.5 million. The other tv fight was Cuellar $200k, and Oquendo $100k.

Are you seriously trying to argue that Showtime paid well in excess of $3.3 million for tonites show?

No. I would suggest, however, that Showtime likely paid out a rights fee that was closer to $3m than $2.5m.

Between the rights fee, the live gate at Barclays Center, BoxNation paying a fee to broadcast the fightcard in the UK, Corona being a sponsor for the event, and selling some merchandise for the event, I'm pretty sure that Lou Dibella ended up covering the costs for the event (rent for the venue, insurance, commission fees, ref/judges fees, marketing materials, promotional spots, undercard, fight purses, etc) and possibly made some money on top.

If he was ****** enough to take such a show with that big an outlay to TV, without a path to making money, he'd look as dumb as you're coming off here.

Before any contract go out to anyone for anything, any sensible person would work from a budget; figure out what the show would cost to put on and then figure what money the show could bring in. No good promoter gambles their stake , especially on a big blow-off fight like Quillin-Jacobs in NYC.

The fact that you want to believe that Dibella walked into this fight, banking on walk-up ticket sales, to see if he'd break even, is laughable.

haha I KNEW you would get amnesia and try to change what you were saying. Just a few posts ago you were trying to claim that the US tv rights alone would cover the whole show, expenses, and some profit too.

But NOW you suggest a rights fee between $2.5 and $3 million, for a show where the 2 tv fights by themselves cost $3.3 million. And theres still an undercard and venue and other expenses to pay.

Face it. Youre a complete tool who runs your mouth about things you dont know the first thing about. You're dumber than a box of hair.

Or maybe you know more about promoting than Dibella does

and that was where he abandoned the thread lol

[Jsmooth9876]

First of all, I respect and admire the father and son team of Shawn and Kenny....I also LOVE the job that Uncle Al is doing....I'm a fan of the PBC and I hope it continues to grow and stick around until the end of time....WAR UNCLE AL

I wanted to make those things CLEAR before I say what I'm about to say...completely unbiased and neutral....I'm just gonna call it like I see it...a spade is ALWAYS a spade in my eyes....IMO it seems like Uncle Al has his favs....I know for sure that AB, Swift, and Floyd are three of his most fav nephews....I think we all can agree on that...what's understood doesn't need to be explained so onto IMO one of his least favs, SHAWN PORTER....the sad part about this is, if anyone ever met the dude then you know I'm 100% accurate when I say Shawn is one of the coolest, nicest boxers in the sport...he might even be the the P4P King in that category...dude is SUPER cool!!!

Now this is what I'm sensing fellas....IMO Kenny is NOT happy with the way his son is being treated by Unc.....I started to pick up on the negative vibe during the Broner-Porter situation....the catchweight was 144 plus one with a rehydration clause of 154 plus one....this is a piece of the interview with Kenny fraom a article on here...I'll post the link as well



http://www.boxingscene.com/porter-di...r-clash--90969

The key words for me was "THEY'RE and THEY"....who is THEY?!?....Exactly!!.."THEY" is led by Unc....he's the boss so nothing fly without his stamp of approval....another point I think we ALL can agree on!!..."THEY" is led by Unc, who also leads Porter, so why would Unc give one nephew so much at the nego table and treat the other like some no name fighter from a forest in Africa....NOBODY was feeling the extra weigh in clause as I remember due to AB already getting the catchweight plate at the table

Then came the day of the FINAL press conference....the Porters were saying they've yet to see or sign the contract for the fight yet...smh

https://********/4g8Gu4gNJNY?t=1m48s

Then I think it was another issue about Shawn's custom made gloves not being ready...not sure, just going off the top on this one...but eventually that got sorted....now back to the weight, Kenny finally gets the contract sometime between the final presser and the weigh in...when he got the paperwork, there was no rehydration clause in it....he said Unc called him and told him beforehand though


http://www.boxingscene.com/team-port...-clause--92547


During the build up to the fight, AB avoided and didn't answer any questions about the rehydration clause....that even pissed Shawn off a little bit....I'm guessing that AB needed Unc to kill the rehydration clause because of his credibility being shot at...or Unc did it himself to save one of his fav nephews credibility....or AB knew he HIMSELF wouldn't make weight at the second weigh in...IMO, it went down in one of those three ways

Jump back to the present....AB lost that fight and has already fought again....FOR A WORLD TITLE....after the Broner win, The Porters flew to NY to stalk my man Swift when he put the beats on Paulie, trying to get a fight....now Swift is scheduled to fight AGAIN...ironically, on the date and the venue Porter-Thurman was rumored to be...remeber, Porter-Thurman been talked about for a while, they even did a faceoff in September out in Vegas at the Expo....now, Shawn is waiting on Thurman without a plan B....in this vid Kenny is saying that the cans Kell Brook been smashing are Uncle Al fighters and he's a little upset about not getting the Kell rematch...you can hear that he's not happy with the way Unc is treating his son



Shawn is almost begging through the media for someone to talk to them about fighting again..."SOMEBODY" would of course be Uncle Al in this case

https://********/TPULoVa9lN4?t=23s

Kenny goes in on the WBC 147 pound Tournament...he's discrediting it due to his son not being mentioned in the Tournament...IMO he has the right to feel some type of way....can't really blame him for feeling that way either



At the end of the day, I hope I'm wrong and I'm OVER ANALYZING this ****....it may or may not be trouble in paradise lol...but I got strong feeling everything is NOT right with The Porters and Unc....links and vids in the post...judge for yourselves!!

Ken Porter is the only one with the balls to say something publicly. I'm sure there are others who aren't happy watching guys like swift get paid millions to fight has beens while Porter is fighting guys like Brook,Broner,Thurman almost consecutively.

Where is Khan? Why doesn't he step up and fight Porter? All those guys in that weight class controlled by Al and Sean is on the outside looking in apparently.

[creekrat77]

It's obvious that's what is happening. It seems a little rediculous watching Garcia fight these nobodies like Paulie and now Guerrero, especially given the fact that he's undefeated but won't take on the meaningful fights.

The only reason Porter fought Paulie was because he kind of had to. He would never opt to do something like that, he'd want to fight the biggest name he could land.

Garcia and Thurman essentially could land bigger names than themselves to elevate their stock but aren't doing it. Comfortable with hand picked soft touches. Lamont Peterson wasn't even a dangerous fight ffs, and was essentially the most dangerous foe he's faced in 2 years. Lamont shouldn't of even had his title at 140 for that fight. He also did nothing while retaining it to deserve or suggest he'd be a solid opponent for Danny.

Danny needs to sack up and either fight Thurman, Spence, Khan, or Porter. Guerrero, Paulie, Josesito, Collazo, and Berto should not even be mentioned as opponents for the guys I just mentioned.

[SeekDaGreat]

I disagree. They got a Danny & Angel Garcia vibe going on. They talk to f#cking much. Kenny Porter seems to have less of a filter than he should have for a older cat (although granted not on a Angel or Ruben Guerrero or Floyd Sr level). I think if Porter ran thru Thurman, Spence, maybe Vazquez, Khan, Garcia or some combo of those guys he's gonna be a popular guy. Winning makes you popular. Plus he comes to fight. Whats not to like?

The reality with PBC is a ****LOAD of Haymon fighters have already been beaten, but they are mostly his younger up & coming guys (gotta be close to a dozen Haymon signed fighters have lost their 0 & often to another guy with an 0). I think Haymon is far less into who wins then you think. The cream rises to the top eventually regardless of you trying to keep it down. Haymon seems wise enough to know that. Also Broner can have 7 losses & he's still gonna be more popular than most undefeated guys. Some guys just got that thing that people wanna see.

Porter is a nobody. Just another decent boxer with little to no personality. I hate to break that to you. There's no popular market in Porter. That is not hate, it's reality. There's nothing appealing about him except the fact he's a decent boxer and that's just not enough to be a star.

Sorry.

[SeekDaGreat]

Is this relating to the Broner fight? If so, Ill answer your question of "Why?" Because Broner is/was the marketable fighter and Porter wasn't. Because Broner would had brought "Unc" more money (had he won) than Porter.

Simple.

Bronner is going to bring in more money despite losing to Porter. That's just the way it is. Broner has the larger ammoubt of mass appeal. People are attracted to his ignorant, urban, glamorous ways. Young white kids gush over him. Facts.

[SeekDaGreat]

How is Shawn Porter not marketable? Clean living kid, healthy family relationship, personable, good TV presence, etc; if Haymon was looking to pitch a list of fighters to Coca Cola, Shawn Porter would easily be on that list (Garcia, Thurman, Wilder, Figueroa Jr and others would also be on that list).

Porter's current issue is that he took an L against Kell Brook, soundly defeated in his title defense in primetime on Showtime.

Rather than now being "aging veteran ready to be picked off by a rising fighter", Porter ended up "good and dangerous young fighter, knocked off by a better young fighter". The risk/reward calculus changed for everyone.

Adrien Broner, after getting the **** beat out of him by Marcos Maidana and having three ho-hum fights, needed to fight, and beat, a guy like Shawn Porter if he was to get his heat back.

The next guy who is in a similar spot is Keith Thurman; young, undefeated champion, exciting fighter, but having spent the last two years as a secondary champion. Once formally elevated to full champion, Thurman needs to knock off a solid guy, to establish his claim as full champion. Enter Shawn Porter.

Porter is a nobody. Just another decent boxer with little to no personality. I hate to break that to you. There's no popular market in Porter. That is not hate, it's reality. There's nothing appealing about him except the fact he's a decent boxer and that's just not enough to be a star.

Sorry, I had to be the one to tell you this. I didn't want to be.

[The Problem Child]

Good thread man. I've been picking up on this for a while as well (thought I was the only one) so you're definitely on to something valid here. It's as if Porter is on the pawn team of his grand scheme.