Comments Thread For: Marquez: Estrada is Mexico's Best, Canelo Must Beat GGG

[Progrssive_Jedi]

In no world is that the same as Canelo asking for a FIVE pound CW simply because he is young enough that it's not a problem for him.

Right on! This dude knows what the **** he is talking about.

jozef, you're speaking with fans that many have completely tossed aside critical thinking and have gone with emotional responses.

[bigdunny1]

I couldn't remember for the life of me so I boxrecd it. Floyd fought at his natural weight of 146 with no CW. Marquez was smaller, and came in at 142. How is that equivalent to draining someone 5 lbs?

The fight was contracted for 144. Floyd missed weight on purpose then forced Marquez to change the contract or the fight was off. So it was a catch weight that Floyd didn't even honor. The point is in boxing the bigger star has used that as reason to fight at a catch weight they want and to their advantage. Floyd fought Oscar at 154 because he was the A side and had no choice. And fought cotto at 154 to win the belt and defended it against canelo at catch weight 152 not because he can't handle the weight because he could and he was the A side. So the fight is at the weight he wants. None of this is new in boxing. Cotto made Sergio come down to catch weight to win the belt in the first place. Why? Because he was the bigger star. GGG is using the same tactic against ward saying no catch weight no fight after he already agreed to fight other top guys at 168. But ward has to be at 164?

And the fight hasn't even happened yet and fools saying 155 catch weight for GGG. Maybe the fight happens at 160, maybe it's at 158 catch weight who the hell knows it's been 1 week. I'll wait to see how it plays out before I bash canelo.

[j0zef]

The fight was contracted for 144. Floyd missed weight on purpose then forced Marquez to change the contract or the fight was off. So it was a catch weight that Floyd didn't even honor. The point is in boxing the bigger star has used that as reason to fight at a catch weight they want and to their advantage. Floyd fought Oscar at 154 because he was the A side and had no choice. And fought cotto at 154 to win the belt and defended it against canelo at catch weight 152 not because he can't handle the weight because he could and he was the A side. So the fight is at the weight he wants. None of this is new in boxing. Cotto made Sergio come down to catch weight to win the belt in the first place. Why? Because he was the bigger star. GGG is using the same tactic against ward saying no catch weight no fight after he already agreed to fight other top guys at 168. But ward has to be at 164?

And the fight hasn't even happened yet and fools saying 155 catch weight for GGG. Maybe the fight happens at 160, maybe it's at 158 catch weight who the hell knows it's been 1 week. I'll wait to see how it plays out before I bash canelo.

No offense, but if you didn't bother reading what I wrote, it's pointless to continue this conversation.

[bigdunny1]

Other than Lara, I don't think any of Canelo's wins came against still elite fighters. Mosley, Angulo, Cotto all washed up by the time Canelo's big ass fought them.

Trout went on to beat a washed up Cotto, but nothing else.

People conflate Canelo's resume with greatness just because it has names. But when a person fights another fighter matters. (Canelo beating a 38 year old GGG wouldn't mean as much as a 33 year old GGG).

If I fought Ali right now I'd beat him, hardly makes me great.



Actually, it's happening.

When did cotto get washed up before or after canelo whooped him? Because all I heard is he is the lineal middleweight champ and top 10 p4p on everyone list before the fight. Had experts saying he has never been better then he has looked last 3 fights all dominant wins with new trainer roach. But moments after he loses to canelo he's now a washed up fight? Get the hell out of here. No one called cotto washed up before the fight. Please don't rewrite history now to support your argument.

[bigdunny1]

No offense, but if you didn't bother reading what I wrote, it's pointless to continue this conversation.

You didn't even know the Marquez fight was a catch weight lol you trying to justify when some fighters use catch weight to their advantage and bash when another fighter does the exact same thing.

[theocdog]

hes a host? I thought he was just an occasional guest like morales or Chavez. Also I don't like how they sleep on Zurdo. He can be a champ in his next fight and not even a mention

Well he is a co-host. But when he is in training or cant attend, Barrera, Morales, La Chiquita Gonzalez or someone else will fill in. But usually Marquez is there.

[BlakBread904]

Baby sit? He just turned 25 and has already fought EVERY fight the fans has asked for. Has fought Trout, Mayweather, Angulo, Lara, Kirkland, Cotto. Tell me another fighter that is fighting more high quality fights? And tell me what fighters in his age range that are even close to this level of competition? Hell look at fighters like Thurman and Wilder who are much older and still refuse to fight one top fighter that the fans are asking for. Yet Canelo has been a champ at 160 for all of 1 week and has something to prove yet the 2 fighters I have named technically been "champ" for a year or longer and have yet to even face a top 5 fighter in their weight or 1 fighter the fans are asking for. If we go a year from now and Canelo hasn't fought GGG then you can start bad mouthing him. But Canelo has earned my respect and it's pretty foolish to say a word about him when he's doing nothing but fighting top fighters and all the top names fans are asking for while other fighters who are older then him are fighting nobodies. If we making a list of fighters who have something to prove I'm getting deep into that list before Canelo name comes up. If you think Canelo has been baby sit what does that say for fighters like wilder, thurman, khan, garcia, brook, spence, Charlo, Crawford, ect?

IIRC no one asked for Canelo-Trout or Canelo-Lara

[j0zef]

You didn't even know the Marquez fight was a catch weight lol you trying to justify when some fighters use catch weight to their advantage and bash when another fighter does the exact same thing.

... I clearly stated I don't remember the circumstances for Marquez/Floyd and boxrecd it. Seriously, read what you're actually responding to.

[sterilizer]

I think JMM is right on target, whether he actually hates Canelo (because he has always gotten more attention than him, due to his looks, not his skills).

I mean, the ones who may think Canelo is better than Estrada (and BTW there's a bunch of other fighters in Mexico now with similar skills, much better than Canelo as well)

Please Youtube this: "gallo estrada vs."

And just choose any option with a big name (Chcolatito, Viloria, Giovani Segura, Tyson Marquez)

Then, watch Canelo fighting any big names in their primes (probably only Floyd, Trout and Lara would count in his case) and compare.

If you think Canelo is better, almost at any skill, then... probably you need an eye doctor. Anyone with good eyesight can easily see that even comparing them is offensive to Estrada, who is WAY better in practically everything:

STAMINA AND CONDITIONING (even comparing them in this, is an insult to Estrada)
Leg movement and speed (again, an insult to Estrada to even compare them)
Defense
Attack
Ring generalship
Ring intelligence
Punching combinations
Punching repertoire
Punching Speed
Power (in his REAL division, of course)

Chin (not sure of this one, none has been tested as of yet, but it will be tough for "Gallo" to ever be tested because he doesn't take tons of punches in every fight like Canelo does, because of his great defense abilities).

BTW JMM was way better than Canelo, and even comparing them is an insult to JMM as well.

If Canelo was the best Mexican boxer now (which he is not even close to, in reality) then Mexican boxing would be in a total decline.

Note: I really enjoy watching Canelo fight, don't get me wrong, because it's very rare to watch a Mexican succeeding at such weight divisions (super-welter and above). But I know his limitations because my eyes work fine, and I also know that not wanting to fight GGG at the REAL MW weight limit is an utterly cowardly move, but of course he KNOWS he will lose that fight most probably by KO, if it happens in the near future at 160.

[Senor_frogs]

IIRC no one asked for Canelo-Trout or Canelo-Lara

Sorry to break it to you bro but hard core fans and media asked for it.