Comments Thread For: Marquez: Estrada is Mexico's Best, Canelo Must Beat GGG

[g.moreno]

Lol the hate is strong for Canelo I see smh...that young man has fought way better competition than a lot of other fighters that get the respect....examples ..Thurman,GGG,Lara, etc....cut it out.

[juandabomb]

Marquez has hate on Canelo because he gets more attention than him.

[Dinamita 03]

I have to say, I live JMM he's one of my all time favorites but he has shown a lot of hate towards Canelo.

In the post fight interview, he gave Canelo basically no credit. He scored the Cotto fight a draw, wtf was he watching?

They need to understand Canelo isn't your stereotypical Mexican fighter. He isn't coming forward like Marg, or Chavez. He is a more calculated boxer, and is more careful.

Specially given how Marquez always feels robbed even though he is constantly outworked always claiming he landed the harder punches, which is exactly what happened in Cotto/Canelo. One guy threw more but only one guy landed significant punches which is what he argued in the Bradley fight where he landed more power punches in the fight, discrediting Bradley's movement and jab.

[bigdunny1]

Specially given how Marquez always feels robbed even though he is constantly outworked always claiming he landed the harder punches, which is exactly what happened in Cotto/Canelo. One guy threw more but only one guy landed significant punches which is what he argued in the Bradley fight where he landed more power punches in the fight, discrediting Bradley's movement and jab.

So true, Canelo beat Cotto with sharp, power counter punches. Very similar to how Marquez fights and time after time Marquez has cried about fights where guys beat him in decisions by throwing MORE punches. So if anyone would appreciate what Canelo just did you would think it would be Marquez. Only difference is Canelo landed the harder shots AND out landed Cotto in total shots. Fights Marquez has lost he has been out landed and out thrown but cries about having cleaner power punches and counter shots at high connect rate. EXACTLY what Canelo did minus get out landed lol But clearly there is wayyyyy more going on then just how Canelo fights because he has hated this boy since day 1. I truly believe this goes back to his resentment of other mexicans getting more fans and respect then him. It's been a theme his ENTIRE career. He's always been a bitter jealous man.

[SeekDaGreat]

Fair enough, no problem with that. You have a 25 year old kid who's virtually one win away from being the best boxer coming out of a country decorated with legends, and HOF'ers. Not bad for a red head who grew up on a farm.

[_Maxi]

Floyd fought Cotto a year earlier at 154 and years earlier fought Oscar at 154. Why did he make Canelo agree to 152 or no fight? Because he was the bigger star and wanted the advantage so he weakened Canelo and Canelo agreed to it so that's what the fight is at. Optional/Mandatory means nothing. It's about the bigger star has been using catch weights for a long time now has nothing to do with Canelo. Tell me what weights Pacman has fought at this last decade? What was the weight for Floyd for the Marquez fight? And didn't GGG just tell ward if he wants to fight it has to be at a Catchweight? So you are arguing in the defense of a fighter WHO IS DOING THE EXACT SAME THING TO OTHER FIGHTERS? How the hell do you think Cotto got the belt in the first place? By catchweight which Sergio had to agree to if he he wanted the fight. Point is all these fighters do it. Not just Canelo. And you bashing him when nobody knows yet when or what weight the fight with GGG will be at. I just named multiple fights that actually happened and nobody cries about them. So why start now?

And stop again with the lies Lara, Kirkland, Angulo, Trout were all fights where Canelo did NOT have a huge weight advantage. All these guys are really big men who shrink their body down to 154 to gain an advantage by rehydrating just like all fighters do across numerous weight classes. Lara started his career fighting at 158 at the same time when Canelo was fighting at 147 and is talking about moving up to 160. He's a big dude too. Angulo and Trout are currently fighting their last 3 fights at middlweight. Kirkland has fought at middleweight above 154 multiple times and was huge looked as big as a truck against Canelo on fight night.

Canelo and Floyd were not mandatory. In this case GGG is Canelo's mandatory. Can you understand the difference? And I don't condemn Floyd for wanting a CW against Canelo because Canelo rehydrates a lot. He wasn't weakened, he just could not abuse of his draining abilities. He had to lose some muscle and come more skinny overall. I think it was a fair match. Floyd weighting around 160 and Canelo 165. It was ok. Otherwise it'd have been floyd at 160 and Canelo at 172 or so. So I think Floyd did the right thing. He wasn't being so unfair.

GGG is about 170-172 on fight night which is a bit less than Canelo's weight. It would be ****** to use a CW. Meaningless, just to favour Canelo.

So yeah, babysitting Canelo.

[j0zef]

Floyd fought Cotto a year earlier at 154 and years earlier fought Oscar at 154. Why did he make Canelo agree to 152 or no fight? Because he was the bigger star and wanted the advantage so he weakened Canelo and Canelo agreed to it so that's what the fight is at.

Look up rehydration weights for Cotto and Oscar. Canelo is visibly and factually bigger than Cotto or Oscar. Floyd was giving up 15-20 lbs to him. When the fight was originally discussed, Floyd wanted Canelo at 147. Floyd came in at 150, he didn't even need to try to 'make weight'.

Optional/Mandatory means nothing. It's about the bigger star has been using catch weights for a long time now has nothing to do with Canelo. Tell me what weights Pacman has fought at this last decade? What was the weight for Floyd for the Marquez fight?

I couldn't remember for the life of me so I boxrecd it. Floyd fought at his natural weight of 146 with no CW. Marquez was smaller, and came in at 142. How is that equivalent to draining someone 5 lbs?

And didn't GGG just tell ward if he wants to fight it has to be at a Catchweight? So you are arguing in the defense of a fighter WHO IS DOING THE EXACT SAME THING TO OTHER FIGHTERS?

... Ward was a SMW 2 years ago who's now a LHW. GGG is a MW. Canelo is a MW.

I'm not sure why this is so hard to understand for people. It's so god damn simple. Ward's 6'1, last fought at 172 and rehydrated to "180-something" (in his own words). Golovkin is 5'10, fights at 160 and rehydrated to 168. Canelo is 5'9, fights at "155" and rehydrates to 170-172.

Seriously, it's like a 3rd grade "which of these doesn't belong" question.

How the hell do you think Cotto got the belt in the first place? By catchweight which Sergio had to agree to if he he wanted the fight. Point is all these fighters do it. Not just Canelo. And you bashing him when nobody knows yet when or what weight the fight with GGG will be at. I just named multiple fights that actually happened and nobody cries about them. So why start now?

Sorry dude, but you're comparing Cotto, who's a natural 154 (as seen by his weigh in vs. the Martinez fight you mention) asking for a ONE POUND "CW".

In no world is that the same as Canelo asking for a FIVE pound CW simply because he is young enough that it's not a problem for him.

[Progrssive_Jedi]

Canelo's Resume has names (but few were still good)

Other than Lara, I don't think any of Canelo's wins came against still elite fighters. Mosley, Angulo, Cotto all washed up by the time Canelo's big ass fought them.

Trout went on to beat a washed up Cotto, but nothing else.

People conflate Canelo's resume with greatness just because it has names. But when a person fights another fighter matters. (Canelo beating a 38 year old GGG wouldn't mean as much as a 33 year old GGG).

If I fought Ali right now I'd beat him, hardly makes me great.

if thats the case the alvared will never be the best fighter in mexico because he is'nt never getting in the ring with little G. he can say what he wants in front of a camera and microphone and his dumbass fans can believe that he will,bu in reality he won't and never will.

Actually, it's happening.

[Johnwoo8686]

I remember reading an article on ESPN before the Mayweather Canelo fight about there being a lot of Mexicans in Mexico who wanted Mayweather to beat Canelo. Many thought the kid was getting way overhyped way too soon. His handlers basically got a pretty boy with some good punching power and had him fight a slew of bums on national television and they began promoting him as the next big thing. Marquez, Chavez, and a whole host of other great Mexican champs saw this and many of them knew he had no chance against Floyd

[Left Hook Tua]

jmm be a hater.....