Fury "fans" crawling out of the woodwork

[LacedUp]

ward doesn't have a great resume, either, but it's better than froch, a guy who lost to the two best fighters he ever fought.


i've gone through froch's resume and explained why the wins are good, but not good enouhg to get you by on their volume when there was a fighter in your division who fought and beat you, and the other best fighter you fought.


people [usually brits] never talk about froch's losses, which are the two most important fights of his career.



as for lucian bute, which you are apparently calling his best win

shall i go through the career of lucian bute, and talk about the wins he doesn't have, or the fighters that beat him? or how little he did after the froch fight?

what has bute done? it looks like you're calling him froch's best win. it's either htat, or you're arguing that froch has such incredible depth of OK fighters that he's got a better resume than the guy who was actually at the top of the division because of wins over kessler and froch himself.

bute was overrated by people who didn't care for andre ward. i get it. he's not a likeable guy, or british, or an exciting fighter, so you have to build up boogeymen to try and detract from him. lucian bute was one such boogeyman.

if you want to call ward a duck after bute beats froch, then fine. he lost to froch. it became clear that he was the definition of a hype job. he beat up fringe guys at home with knockout his knockout power. he had done nothing before or since [he could arguably have a bad knockout loss to librado andrade in '08 on shobox.] that's the archetype of a hype job. for some reason brits seem to give bute credit proportionate to their hype, not the acutal merits of the fighters' resume or ability.


in short, you think a couple of extra "depth" fights eclipse wins over the guy who beat froch [kessler] and froch himself. if froch is such a great fighter, surely you're missing something when you say that a few "depth" wins get him over the hump against a guy who virtually shut him out.

sort out the depth, then. what are theese "depth" wins that put froch over the guy who was actually the best SMW on the planet, as oppose to the guy hwo needed injuries, kelly pavlik losing his mind, or ward being an idiot with joe goossen, to be the best?


froch was only the best SMW on the planet when ward stopped fighting! he f#cking retired when he came back! how the f#ck can you ignore that? he had no business sharing a ring with andre ward.



with a broken, hand, BTW. froch lost to ward when ward had badly broken bones in his left hand. he is left handed. carl froch is not nearly as good as the litle shireling make him out to be.


ward doesn't ahve a great resume, either, but it's a heck of a lot better than the guy who lost to him and mikkel kessler.

You can go through Lucian Bute's resume or whatever as much as you want, I remember Ward stating he didn't want to fight Bute. As I said, Bute was ranked #1 in the division whether you like it or not. Ward was in no hurry to fight, and Froch took him out.

As for the rest of the post, I didn't read it but I did make out that you at no point compared Ward's actual wins.

I'll list them for Froch:

Pascal, Dirrell, Taylor, Abraham, Groves, Groves, Kessler, Bute.

What are Wards?

[New England]

You can go through Lucian Bute's resume or whatever as much as you want, I remember Ward stating he didn't want to fight Bute. As I said, Bute was ranked #1 in the division whether you like it or not. Ward was in no hurry to fight, and Froch took him out.

As for the rest of the post, I didn't read it but I did make out that you at no point compared Ward's actual wins.

I'll list them for Froch:

Pascal, Dirrell, Taylor, Abraham, Groves, Groves, Kessler, Bute.

What are Wards?

you're not even reading my posts?

[LacedUp]

you're not even reading my posts?

I saw you were criticizing Bute for half a page. I'm on vacation and it's 2:30 in the morning

Mate, we're discussing resumes - I listed Froch's best wins, here they are again:

Pascal, Dirrell, Taylor, Kessler, Abraham, Groves, Bute.

Now please list Ward's best 7 wins or accept Froch's resume is better.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

"NE knows ward had a better run than froch, and that british boxing fans have a tendency to be deluded when british fithers or andre ward are concerned!"

"Shawn Porter will knock out Kell Brook and then KO Floyd Mayweather!"

[New England]

I saw you were criticizing Bute for half a page. I'm on vacation and it's 2:30 in the morning

Mate, we're discussing resumes - I listed Froch's best wins, here they are again:

Pascal, Dirrell, Taylor, Kessler, Abraham, Groves, Bute.

Now please list Ward's best 7 wins or accept Froch's resume is better.

resumes don't simply count wins, dude. whether or not you recognize it, that's what the bold is trying to do. they weigh their value in the context of a particularl point in a fighter's career. you ask "who did he beat, when, and how?" you don't ask "how many fighters did he beat?" that's part of the equation, but clearly a part that you're weighing too heavily.

ward's trhee best wins are kessler, froch, and abraham. after that he has chad dawson at 168 lbs, which was obviously not the ideal weight for dawson. then you have edwin rodriguez, who isn't a world beater, but certainly is a better win than going life and death with george groves and needing a rematch.

neither of those three are anybody to write home about, but they're certainly better wins in total when you consider that they include a man who beat froch, and froch himself.


again, if you give froch any credit at all, it's got to be in proportion to the credit you give to andre ward - who beat froch, and was the best he faced, and who also beat mikkel kessler, the second ebst fighter froch beat.


you didn't read my post earlier, so i'm repeating myself, but you're giving far too much credit to the volume of froch's wins. if you go though them, you realize that there are no top wins on his resume. ward doesn't have wins to write home about historically, but he's got froch and kessler, the two best fighters of the era not named andre, in their primes.

couple all of this with froch's two losses, which none of you ever seem to concede, and you've got a resume without any top wins, and two losses in its most important fights.



do you think the pundits are goign to remember froch as the better fighter of the generation at the wight in spite of the fact that he fought ward [and was embarrassed,] all on the merits of these 7 mediocre wins?

[New England]

the first groves fight and the taylor fight would be a black eye on ward's resume. they'd look awful, and stick out like a sore thumb next to the easy wins over better fighters. so would andre dirrell. that fight could ahve easily gone to dirrell, who inarguably landed the cleaner and more effective punches.


they're "good wins for froch," however.
what does that tell you?

[Dirk Diggler UK]

Christ, this fat wanker is still writing actual essays about Froch-Ward in a thread about Tyson Fury

[New England]

Christ, this fat wanker is still writing actual essays about Froch-Ward in a thread about Tyson Fury

brits
"we disagree, but we have absolutely nothing to offer. we probably recognize that it's futile to argue that a clearly inferior fighter is the best fighter of his generation. they even fought."


new [superior] england
"i disagree, and here's why."


"this fat wanker is writing an essay!"


this fat wanker has 12 days of cerfifiable badass skiing planned in the sierras and the rockies. in april and may i'll be climbing tuckerman ravine once a week until the snow dissapears. 130 people have died on tucks in the last 100 years or so. this



all of the fat guys are doing it!


if i lived with my mom, and talked about 2.5 weeks without drugs or alcohol like it was an accomplishment, would i be in great shape like you ?

[Dirk Diggler UK]

brits
"we disagree, but we have absolutely nothing to offer. we probably recognize that it's futile to argue that a clearly inferior fighter is the best fighter of his generation. they even fought."


new [superior] england
"i disagree, and here's why."


"this fat wanker is writing an essay!"


this fat wanker has 12 days of cerfifiable badass skiing planned in the sierras and the rockies. in april and may i'll be climbing tuckerman ravine once a week until the snow dissapears. 130 people have died on tucks in the last 100 years or so. this



all of the fat guys are doing it!


if i lived with my mom, and talked about 2.5 weeks without drugs or alcohol like it was an accomplishment, would i be in great shape like you ?

I haven't disagreed with you because I haven't bothered to read what you're ****ing on about. I just know it has something to do with Froch and Ward because that's literally all you do on here.

Hijack threads and write essays about how Ward forgettably outpointed Froch 4 years ago.

Make a Froch/Ward Master Thread ffs. Do you not see how ****** you look? You don't seem to understand the concept of a forum.

As if taking shirtless selfies of your fat hairy grotesque body and posting them on a boxing forum wasn't embarrassing enough.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

I don't think I've ever argued that Froch is superior to Ward

Why are you STILL obsessing over this? In a thread about Tyson Fury no less.

You should be using your energy to lose that belly of yours. Surely Daddy can pay for you to get a treadmill in the house he bought you? Or maybe an exercise bike.....if you can reach the handles?