Fury "fans" crawling out of the woodwork

[LacedUp]

resumes don't simply count wins, dude. whether or not you recognize it, that's what the bold is trying to do. they weigh their value in the context of a particularl point in a fighter's career. you ask "who did he beat, when, and how?" you don't ask "how many fighters did he beat?" that's part of the equation, but clearly a part that you're weighing too heavily.

ward's trhee best wins are kessler, froch, and abraham. after that he has chad dawson at 168 lbs, which was obviously not the ideal weight for dawson. then you have edwin rodriguez, who isn't a world beater, but certainly is a better win than going life and death with george groves and needing a rematch.

neither of those three are anybody to write home about, but they're certainly better wins in total when you consider that they include a man who beat froch, and froch himself.


again, if you give froch any credit at all, it's got to be in proportion to the credit you give to andre ward - who beat froch, and was the best he faced, and who also beat mikkel kessler, the second ebst fighter froch beat.


you didn't read my post earlier, so i'm repeating myself, but you're giving far too much credit to the volume of froch's wins. if you go though them, you realize that there are no top wins on his resume. ward doesn't have wins to write home about historically, but he's got froch and kessler, the two best fighters of the era not named andre, in their primes.

couple all of this with froch's two losses, which none of you ever seem to concede, and you've got a resume without any top wins, and two losses in its most important fights.



do you think the pundits are goign to remember froch as the better fighter of the generation at the wight in spite of the fact that he fought ward [and was embarrassed,] all on the merits of these 7 mediocre wins?

So let's take it into context. Pascal was undefeated and at the top of his game, so was Andre Dirrell an Olympian who was thought more highly of than Andre Ward as a pro. Abraham had dominated the middleweight division and had just stopped Taylor and then got DQd against Dirrell, a fight he was coming on strong in and had Dirrell running for dear life.

He had a close fight with Kessler who didn't have to worry about being headbutted all night and who was in far better nick than against Ward - I've asked him myself personally.

Before losing to Ward and beating the Road Warrior in the meantime.

Came back from the Ward defeat and beat undefeated and #1 ranked IBF champion Lucian Bute who was a favourite to win the fight. Then beat Kessler.

Then took on the #5 ranked contender in the division, who was also undefeated and at the top of his game - Sure he didn't look good, but then straightened it out in a rematch with an epic KO.

You keep mentioning Ward's 3 wins. But Froch beat the same guys in Kessler and Abraham! And that's all Ward's got.

Froch's resume is unquestionably deeper and better than Ward's. It's not even up for discussion and the fact that you won't even list his best wins other than two/three Froch also beat, just confirms it.

Yes Froch will be remembered as a greater champion than Ward, despite losing. His run was a lot better. Ward had 2 years of dominance. Froch had 7 years of fighting every single top contender or champion in the division - Something Ward never did.

And lol @ Rodriguez being a better win than Groves.

the first groves fight and the taylor fight would be a black eye on ward's resume. they'd look awful, and stick out like a sore thumb next to the easy wins over better fighters. so would andre dirrell. that fight could ahve easily gone to dirrell, who inarguably landed the cleaner and more effective punches.


they're "good wins for froch," however.
what does that tell you?

Andre "struggled with Bika and headbutted/clinched Kessler all night" Ward sure has a couple of black eyes already.

Sure they "would" look bad for Ward - He better not fight them at all. After all, he beat Froch, so he beat all the guys Froch beat also, right?

[Dirk Diggler UK]

Make a Froch-Ward Master Thread you couple of fannies

[Box-Office]

So let's take it into context. Pascal was undefeated and at the top of his game, so was Andre Dirrell an Olympian who was thought more highly of than Andre Ward as a pro. Abraham had dominated the middleweight division and had just stopped Taylor and then got DQd against Dirrell, a fight he was coming on strong in and had Dirrell running for dear life.

He had a close fight with Kessler who didn't have to worry about being headbutted all night and who was in far better nick than against Ward - I've asked him myself personally.

Before losing to Ward and beating the Road Warrior in the meantime.

Came back from the Ward defeat and beat undefeated and #1 ranked IBF champion Lucian Bute who was a favourite to win the fight. Then beat Kessler.

Then took on the #5 ranked contender in the division, who was also undefeated and at the top of his game - Sure he didn't look good, but then straightened it out in a rematch with an epic KO.

You keep mentioning Ward's 3 wins. But Froch beat the same guys in Kessler and Abraham! And that's all Ward's got.

Froch's resume is unquestionably deeper and better than Ward's. It's not even up for discussion and the fact that you won't even list his best wins other than two/three Froch also beat, just confirms it.

Yes Froch will be remembered as a greater champion than Ward, despite losing. His run was a lot better. Ward had 2 years of dominance. Froch had 7 years of fighting every single top contender or champion in the division - Something Ward never did.

And lol @ Rodriguez being a better win than Groves.




Andre "struggled with Bika and headbutted/clinched Kessler all night" Ward sure has a couple of black eyes already.

Sure they "would" look bad for Ward - He better not fight them at all. After all, he beat Froch, so he beat all the guys Froch beat also, right?

Kessler was shot to sh.it. when Froch beat him. Why would Carl be remembered as a greater champion than Ward when he got destroyed by a one handed Andre?


A little off topic from the topic off topic. It is amazing thinking about it, Joe Calzaghe dominated and snatched a prime Kessler's 0 and titles and Froch surrendered exactly those to a more worn down version. Levels to this s.hit.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

What the hell does Khan have to do with Scarface?

[.!WAR MIKEY!.]

So annoying!

how the fuck do you think fighters get fans? from interviews lmfao? its from victories they pull off.

wtf you want a cookie and be acknowledge for being a fury fan before he beat wlad lmfao okay.

[LacedUp]

Kessler was shot to sh.it. when Froch beat him. Why would Carl be remembered as a greater champion than Ward when he got destroyed by a one handed Andre?


A little off topic from the topic off topic. It is amazing thinking about it, Joe Calzaghe dominated and snatched a prime Kessler's 0 and titles and Froch surrendered exactly those to a more worn down version. Levels to this s.hit.

Kessler wasn't shot, don't be foolish.

As I said, Ward dominated for 2 years, Froch for 7 years, he fought many more contenders and champions - Despite losing to Ward.

Plenty of fighters have lost to someone they'll be remembered as greater than. It's not everything. Having a career full of great wins and exciting fights and nights, means more than a single win. Ward will be remembered as the better fighter, not the greater. That's the difference.

Ps. That sig.

Cringe.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

Froch dominated for 0 years.

He was never the number 1 in the division.

Unlike Tyson Fury.....and we're back on topic!

[Fury4daWIN]

how the fuck do you think fighters get fans? from interviews lmfao? its from victories they pull off.

wtf you want a cookie and be acknowledge for being a fury fan before he beat wlad lmfao okay.

It's not about wanting a cookie or wanting recognition (well, partly I guess, lol) but the fact that the original Fury fans clearly saw something the mainstream did not and will continue to see things in the foreseeable future. This wasn't a case of a blind fanbase having blind faith in their man and happening to get lucky. You only need to peruse a handful of the posts in the Fury Klitschko master thread to see how precisely many of us were breaking the fight down and how accurately our predictions turned out.

Newly minted Fury fans do not, in most cases, possess this level of insight or faith in their own opinions. Their enthusiasm might well be genuine, but they'll never see things as clearly as we do. Arrogant, perhaps, but justified. Us Fury fans know our shit.

[Tom Cruise]

Can I be a fury fan even though I thought he would lose?

I predicted he would give WK lots of trouble but didnt think he could do it over 12.

Ive had this sig for weeks.

'Team2Fast' for months

[Box-Office]

Kessler wasn't shot, don't be foolish.

As I said, Ward dominated for 2 years, Froch for 7 years, he fought many more contenders and champions - Despite losing to Ward.

Plenty of fighters have lost to someone they'll be remembered as greater than. It's not everything. Having a career full of great wins and exciting fights and nights, means more than a single win. Ward will be remembered as the better fighter, not the greater. That's the difference.

Ps. That sig.

Cringe.

LOL, that's pure delusion. Kessler was damaged goods, not to mention he was partially blind/serious problems in one eye, hence the withdrawal from Super Six, that's how bad it was.


A single win? So, Ward is just one hit wonder according to you?




#cheekynandos #jealous, now that is cringe.