Comments Thread For: Adonis Stevenson's Promoter Reacts To Ring's Decision

[R-C]

People justifying Stevenson ducking methods and rightfully complaining about Stevenson getting his prestigious Ring Championship stripped are in denial to me.

[bigdunny1]

IBO computerized rankings don't have Jean Pascal in the top 5 and they have Andrzej Fonfara #1.

Stevenson beat Fonfara last year.

So in the only rankings without human bias, Stevenson has recently defeated the #1 contender.

hahahaha even in those garbage computer rankings Pascal is currently rated number 6. And that's the best you can pull out your @ss? Any rankings that have Fonfara number 1 ranked doesn't need me to tell you it's flawed. What has he done besides beat a overated and unranked Chavez Jr? And those IBO rankings don't include the world champs. Pascal is a top 5 Light Heavyweight no controversy him being rated as such by Ring.

[Boxing Goat]

then why didn't they strip rigondeaux?

and how do you fight a top 5 ranked opponent when they pull out of the purse bids?

I believe that Agbeko was ranked top 5 when he fought the Jackal

[bigdunny1]

Stop it Pascal has proven himself won belts beaten top fighters, and world champs at light heavyweight and has been facing better competition. His top 5 spot is legit. beterbiev is too green and hasn't fought anywhere near the quality of fighters. He's a young buck on the rise but not proven yet. No way can you put him ahead of Pascal. Fonfara you take away his win over Chavez Jr who was unranked and unproven at light heavyweight doesn't have many quality wins. He's slightly behind Pascal, Betervbiev is way the hell behind Pascal till he steps up his competition. Again you had to pull out bogus computerized site because you spent 15 mins looking at all the other creditable sites and see Pascal is consistently top 5 ranked. You might have a beef if he was top 5 ranked on Ring but nobody else had him anywhere near that. But you can't ESPN, Boxingscene, ect ect all recognize him as one of the best light heavyweights. There aint not controversy with him being top 5 ranked by Ring. Let it go son

[bigdunny1]

I believe that Agbeko was ranked top 5 when he fought the Jackal

That's what I said from jump. The rules state you lose your Champion status if

The Champion does not schedule a fight with a Top-5 contender from any weight class for two years.

I think when the 2 year anniversary of that Agbeko fight comes next month Rigo is next to get stripped. Fools around here trying way to hard to justify Stevenson's blatant duckery.

[youbeight]

Stop it Pascal has proven himself won belts beaten top fighters, and world champs at light heavyweight and has been facing better competition. His top 5 spot is legit. beterbiev is too green and hasn't fought anywhere near the quality of fighters. He's a young buck on the rise but not proven yet. No way can you put him ahead of Pascal. Fonfara you take away his win over Chavez Jr who was unranked and unproven at light heavyweight doesn't have many quality wins. He's slightly behind Pascal, Betervbiev is way the hell behind Pascal till he steps up his competition. Again you had to pull out bogus compertized site because you spent 15 mins looking at all the other creditible sites and see Pascal is consistently top 5 ranked. You might have a beef if he was top 5 ranked on Ring but nobody else had him anywhere near that. But you can't ESPN, Boxingscene, ect ect all recognize him as one of the best light heavyweights. There aint not controversy with him being top 5 ranked by Ring. Let it go son

rankings are based off consistency fight by fight basis, pascal last best LHW was bute who has done nothing at LHW. fonfara just beat a former LHW champion who lost to the now unfied champion, beat chavez by KO who is just like bute in the rankings and has no questionable wins. beterbiev has already beaten two LHW contenders one of them being a former champion. the last time pascal beat a noteworthy LHW contender or champion/former champ in the division was dawson in 2010 since then hes lost 2 times, 1 draw, beat a handful of low ranked guys, and bute a former title holder a division below him. not to mention a large community find no purpose for this fight, they rather see gonzalez who got a suspect loss to him fight kovalev instead. that alone should tell you his ranking is very questionable.

when people are asking a "green" fighter like beterbiev to fight kovalev instead of pascal, and hes ranked ahead of pascal in ALL bodies, its time to move pascal down the latter. fonfara has had better recent wins than pascal and has a better rating in 3 of the 4 sanctions. move pascal down. this rematch NO ONE really wanted. there are others ppl would rather see kovalev fight, if the public is saying the no4 LHW is unworhty to challenge the no1 LHW and the guys ranked below him on the third party websites will have a bigger challenge, what does that tell you about the no4 LHW, he shouldnt be ranked that high.

[bigdunny1]

Pascal's fighting better competition. He's won world titles. If Beterbiev fought Kovalev he would have a loss too. So would Fonfara. Losing to one of the top p4p fighters in the world doesn't hurt him as much in the rankings. Neither does raking up wins and fighting non ranked fighters and lesser fighters help you. You got to face better competition. I like Beterviev's future but he isn't there yet.

[youbeight]

Pascal's fighting better competition. He's won world titles. If Beterbiev fought Kovalev he would have a loss too. So would Fonfara. Losing to one of the top p4p fighters in the world doesn't hurt him as much in the rankings. Neither does raking up wins and fighting non ranked fighters and lesser fighters help you. You got to face better competition. I like Beterviev's future but he isn't there yet.

whos the last legitimate lhw pascal beat?
he hasnt been a champion since losing to hopkins
ppl are actually more INTERESTED in these two vs kovalev than pascal
losing to p4p fighter doesnt hurt, but failing to win high ranked fights negates that.

his ranking is questionable.

[kafkod]

Stevenson went to Showtime to fight Hopkins. Hopkins returned to HBO instead of facing Stevenson. If Hopkins had wanted to fight Stevenson, he would have. Pascal had the opportunity to be Stevenson's mandatory, but informed the WBC that he wasn't interested. The facts don't support your premise. HBO and their promoters have successfully spread misinformation and propaganda, but the truth is easily verifiable..

Hopkins wanted to fight Stevenson, and was negotiating with Haymon to try and make the fight. But he had a deadline to sign to fight his mando or be stripped of the IBF title.

He waited for Stevenson and Haymon to agree on terms and send him a contract till the evening before the deadline expired. When he didn't get any word from them, he phoned Duva and made the fight with Kovalev instead.

That's BHop's and Duva's version of what happened, and it sits well with the facts as we know them. If you have another version of the truth which is "easily verified" then post the evidence.

But The Ring is selectively enforcing their rules and playing favorites just like any other sanctioning body. Stevenson has fought a top 5 contender far more recently than Rigondeaux, yet Stevenson was stripped and Rigondeaux wasn't. Now that The Ring is owned by an HBO promoter, they are just as corrupt as any sanctioning body.

The Ring's rules on retaining their title are very clear, and Stevenson clearly didn't comply with them.

They derecognised Andre Ward earlier this year for the same reason as Stevenson - failing to defend against anyone in the top 5 of their rankings for more than 2 years, and Ward is with HBO.

If they have made an exeption for Rigo, for some reason, that doesn't alter the fact that Stevenson didn't comply with rules and they were entitled to take their "title" away from him.

IBF rules allow a unification to take precedence over a mandatory. Kovalev ducked the purse bid in favor of the mandatory because that's what HBO wanted him to do. HBO is the reason this fight hasn't been made and HBO's propaganda is the reason some of you have been hoodwinked into blaming Stevenson.

It wasn't the IBF's rules that got in the way of the purse bid, it was the terms of Kovalev's contract with HBO. As has been pointed out, there is a way round that problem. If Gym offer the fight to HBO, and HBO reject it, Kovalev would be free to fight Stevenson another network.

[bigdunny1]

whos the last legitimate lhw pascal beat?
he hasnt been a champion since losing to hopkins
ppl are actually more INTERESTED in these two vs kovalev than pascal
losing to p4p fighter doesnt hurt, but failing to win high ranked fights negates that.

his ranking is questionable.

Beterbiev needs to fight better competition. Pascal had proven himself won titles his loses are to hall of famers and p4p fighters. And how is his rating questionable he is top 5 ranked everywhere including this website you are on and all other 3rd party rankings. You might have a case if he was on top 5 on ring ranking but unranked everywhere else. But it's not the case. I'm not putting no untested Beterbiev ahead of him because he's beating inferior competition and just ducked a fight with kovalev. He's young his time will come but until he steps up can't put him ahead of pascal