Another myth: Mayweather moving up five divisions while GGG not willing to moveup one

[Ray*]

I could literally see the bottom of the barrel been scratch here lol. These GGGullibles would try anything, they would even kill their families to elevate GGG. Good on ya freaks

[JrX]

Yeah I know right as they age they fill out and have to use IV's, oops sorry froid

[Scipio2009]

I have already debunked the myth that says that Mayweather is outweighed by 10-20 pounds each fight. See here.

Lets proceed with the next one: "Floyd took risks and moved up five divisions."


1) Mayweather did not move up five divisions.

He started professionally at 130. The maximum division he fought at was 154. Lets count:

130->135 = 1 move
135->140 = 2 move
140->147 = 3 move
147->154 = 4 move

So he moved up 4 times, not 5.

Also, he became professional at 19 years old. So he didn't just move up, he grown up most of the time.

2) When Golovkin was 19 years old, he was fighting in the amateurs as a welterweight. He turned pro very late, at 24 years old. If we make the same comparison, he grown up two divisions.

147->154 = 1 move
154->160 = 2 move

So he has moved up two times. I think that sometime in the future he will move up for a few fights at 168, like Mayweather did at 154.

3) I've also heard: "Even Ward moved up one division, he started at 160". Ward started at 160 when he was 20 years old in 2004. When he was 24, he was already a 168 fighter.

4) Fighters from the smaller divisions tend to be able to move up more divisions easily for two reasons:
a) The divisions are separated by 4 or 5 pounds instead of 7 or 8.
b) The fighters in the small divisions train differently, they are usually more skinny, and they still have margin for winning easy weight by changing the training method. The fighters in the bigger weights have no chance of naturally moving up more than one division. The only thing they can do is take steroids to grow muscle (like Roy Jones did to be able to move up)

and 5) You don't need to move up to prove you're great. Andre Ward can stay at 168 and I'll never criticize him for that. There's no need to criticize a fighter just because of jealousy. Ward had his moment in 2011-2012. Golovkin is having his moment now, let the guy be. He is beating anyone, winning all rounds, and KOing everyone.

6) If moving up in weight is what makes you great, then Pacquiao (moved up seven times) and DLH (moved up five times) are greater than Mayweather.

7) There's a pattern in 99% of his fights. He's the taller guy or the guy with more reach. He never fights being outsized. Being outsized is one of the risks of boxing, but he never takes that risk. He only did it a few times in all his career. He CAN make 160, but he knows it means losing the size advantage. Other fighters with less height than him, such as Cotto or Duran, have fought in the 160 division.

First off, Floyd Mayweather Jr, after debuting at 130lbs as a pro, fought at the weight for 6 years before moving up; in case you missed it, Floyd was 25 years old before he started to go up in weight. Gennady Golovkin has been fighting at 165lbs or lower since he was 22 years of age.

Beyond that, officially or unofficially, Floyd has never walked into the ring above 153lbs for a fight in his life. If you want to ignore that, though instead focus on Floyd being 5'8 or having longer reach, so be it.

still makes you look like an utter hater.

[Scipio2009]

Mayweather outgrew the divisions he fought in. So to say 'Mayweather moved up five, Golovkin hasnt even moved up one' is a little stupid. He's using an IV to make 147, or at least I hope so. He never moved up to 'dare to be great', in 4/5 divisions he fought in. Hes the best of this generation, but stop pretending little Floyd moved up at some great weight disadvantage for 'legacy'.

However, Mayweather moved up to 154 when he didn't need to, albeit against two former welterweights, and a catchweight of 152 for Canelo. He fought at 154 for the big money fights. Now to me, I dont see the difference between that and GGG fighting Froch/Chavez at 168, but Ward at 164. I'm not defending it at all, but its the same thing. Floyd felt Canelo was a much bigger risk than DLH/Cotto hence the stupid catchweight. Same for GGG/Ward.

'But Team GGG said 154-168 doe'

1. You fell for Team GGG's bs hype talk, and I actually feel bad for you. I'm surprised you believed the crap they come out with, eapecially as you know boxing is a business more than a sport.

2. Statements like these are not uncommon. Remember the 'I fight my opponents at their comfortable weight' fiasco? Bringing this up seems far too convenient for a lot of posters here, which is laughable if they didnt even believe it in the first place!

That being said, I think Ward is simply the better fighter. If they were both the same size, which theyre clearly not, I still think Ward dominates. Its just pathetic how I share that opinion with a set of idiots on here who use their hate of GGG as a follow on from their hate of HBO/Manny.. wanting him to lose so badly to get some sort of e-self gratification. Arent we supposed to be grown men?

Floyd stopped outgrowing divisions at 140; all you have to do is look at the weights he walked into the ring at for his fights. From welterweight on up, Floyd Mayweather has been the decidedly smaller man in every fight sans vs JMM, Hatton, and Pacquiao.

Golovkin has been at 160, in essence, since he was 22 years old; the man walks into the ring for his fights, basically, at 170lbs. Why Golovkin even pondering a move up 8 pounds (from the weight he was at at 22) is being treated as some monumental effort is baffling to me.

Say what you want about Saul Alvarez, he was a 20 year old fighter at 147, is a 25 year old fighter 154, and will likely (come 1-2 years) fight out his fight career at 160lbs, before possibly closing things out at 168lbs (a la Arthur Abraham).

Golovkin can't even afford to move once?

[Scipio2009]

Dela Hoya won titles in six divisions. Pacquiao in eight.

Pacquiao moved up seven times while Floyd moved up only four times?

Please name the 8 belts that Pacquiao won in those 8 weight classes, for argument's sake.

[Scipio2009]

Pacquiao had no amateur career. When Floyd started amateurs he started in the same weight class Pacquiao started in as a pro. Your argument in the OP is that Golovkin has moved up, but counting his amateur career.

When Floyd was 19/20, he fought at 130lbs; Pacquiao, when he was 19, was at 112. When Floyd was 25, he fought at 135lbs; Pacquiao, at 25, was at 122/126. When Floyd was 30, he fought at 147; Pacquiao, at 30, was at 130/135.

age for age, Manny Pacquiao has never been the same size as Floyd, often by 1-2 weight classes.

Amateur careers aside, Gennady Golovkin has been fighting at 165 or lower since he was 22 years of age. Only other fighter who has had anything near that, from what I've seen, is Hagler.

[MentalZero]

GGG stay ducking

[MDPopescu]

Mayweather won titles in five divisions. Yes, he moved up four times.

Floyd started his amateur career at light flyweight (108 lb -- weight division which is the same both at the 'ams' and the 'pros')...
Therefore:
- in terms of 'amateur' weight divisions Floyd moved up 5 times;
- in terms of 'professional' weight divisions Floyd moved up 10 times...

[Jedi Vader]

I could literally see the bottom of the barrel been scratch here lol. These GGGullibles would try anything, they would even kill their families to elevate GGG. Good on ya freaks

I never ever thought any fanbase would exceed the Klitlickers with nuthugging but the Little G's are definitely on par right now.

[hugh grant]

Everyone already knows FLoyd never took risks. You could count on one hand with a few fingers missing how many risks he took in his career. More likely he moved up divisions to escape and duck a dangerous fighter and moved up to not have to fight that guy and hope a weaker fighter is in the higher division.

But yes FLoyd only outgrew divisions and never takes risks. Surely Pac being the best oopponent on his resume tells you that. And how tall and big is Pac?