Arum:Khan or Crawford for Pacquiao in April

[Box-Office]

As I said, he might have been considered a world class LWW once, but definintely never a world class WW. I said that quite early, you might want to go back and check.

No not really. Porter's best win is arguably Broner also. Porter showed he could come back from defeat and put on a solid performance against another world class-ish fighter. Alexander never proved that.

As I said, Brook has world class skills and does things that are world class + he beat someone else who's world class or close to it. Recently.

As I also said, now he's got to get his resume on track starting with Chaves another top 10 WW and after that we can compare how he did to the two other worldclass fighters Chaves fought.

I know you desperately hate that people think Brook is better than Khan, but a win over a sling of featherfisted LWWs is not changing that.

Why are you counting accomplishments that happened AFTER a particular event? Porter went in that fight as a guy who had wins over Alex/Paulie, the version Brook fought had those particular names on his resume and not Broner. Faulty logic. That's why I factored out Matthysse from Alexander's run cuz that version hadn't beat Soto or Peterson. You wouldn't be saying that if Porter lost his next 2 or 3.

Featherfisted=bum, Puncher with no titles no names=great win. Another faulty logic.


Is Chaves World class?

People? You mean Jamie Moore? Hearn? As for this forum, ppl hate Khan mostly for his mouth, so Brook is their favorite by default all so he can shut Khan up not because Kell has a better resume. It's funny how you keep bringing it up as if it is even relevant about why I back Khan, but you're all over Brook for the same reason.

[LacedUp]

Margarito was an absolute joke.

"Mandatory" how? Getting brutally destroyed by Mosley and looking like **** fighting a bum in a 10 rounder?

I don't see why it matters that it was a cherrypick for a bull**** 154 on title.

And he didn't give Pacquaio a good fight at all he dominated 11 and a half rounds in a career ending one sided beat down.

Khan deserves it more now than Margarito did then.

I don't think it was an absolute joke. Only people were complaining about him getting a shot because of the cheating thing. It's not my fault he was mandatory. Being mexican has its perks with the WBC.

But I think Khan is also mandatory for the WBC despite not having fought an eliminator.

He definitely gave Pacquiao a hard fight and hurt him a couple of times. But it ended up being a beating.

I don't really think so. Margarito was recent world champion, beating undefeated Cotto was still fresh in the mind. Fought Mosley albeit getting beaten up.

Honestly, Khan hasn't done any of that. Only thing is he didn't get beaten RECENTLY by a Mosley who had one great fight left in him. But he also hasn't fought anyone.

So I definitely can't say Khan deserves it more.

[Box-Office]

I don't think it was an absolute joke. Only people were complaining about him getting a shot because of the cheating thing. It's not my fault he was mandatory. Being mexican has its perks with the WBC.

But I think Khan is also mandatory for the WBC despite not having fought an eliminator.

He definitely gave Pacquiao a hard fight and hurt him a couple of times. But it ended up being a beating.

I don't really think so. Margarito was recent world champion, beating undefeated Cotto was still fresh in the mind. Fought Mosley albeit getting beaten up.

Honestly, Khan hasn't done any of that. Only thing is he didn't get beaten RECENTLY by a Mosley who had one great fight left in him. But he also hasn't fought anyone.

So I definitely can't say Khan deserves it more.

Margarito was coming off a loss and a 10 rounder, his win over Cotto was 2 years prior to the Pacquiao fight, TWO. In your little world coming off a stoppage and 10 rounder should get you Pacquiao.

[LacedUp]

Why are you counting accomplishments that happened AFTER a particular event? Porter went in that fight as a guy who had wins over Alex/Paulie, the version Brook fought had those particular names on his resume and not Broner. Faulty logic. That's why I factored out Matthysse from Alexander's run cuz that version hadn't beat Soto or Peterson. You wouldn't be saying that if Porter lost his next 2 or 3.

Featherfisted=bum, Puncher with no titles no names=great win. Another faulty logic.


Is Chaves World class?

People? You mean Jamie Moore? Hearn? As for this forum, ppl hate Khan mostly for his mouth, so Brook is their favorite by default all so he can shut Khan up not because Kell has a better resume. It's funny how you keep bringing it up as if it is even relevant about why I back Khan, but you're all over Brook for the same reason.

Because it proves that Porter wasn't a fluke? I don't think that requires too much intelligence to figure out. Maybe I'm wrong. Obviously if Porter had lost his next 2-3 fights Brook's victory wouldn't seem as good. But he didn't, so it's still just as good.

Matthysse was still a good fighter when he fought Alexander. He was the boogeyman even then. Still doesn't take away that Alexander got beaten by him, and also got outboxed by Kotelnik. World class doe.

Here we go again with the excuses for featherfists. You're embarrassing yourself with that. just leave it.

Lol what? Because Brook is ranked in the top 10 P4P by Ring, is ranked over Khan in the welterweight rankings by every credible ranking and because people on this forum and a lot of other places are saying Khan is running scared. Which he is. Contradicting himself on a daily basis and embarrassing himself.

Your last paragraph didn't make any sense at all. I know Khan has a better resume than Brook, why are we talking about this? It still doesn't take away that he hasn't had a top win since 2010 and you're talking as if he's fighting beasts now.

You're the same person who's slating Brook for fighting Diego Chaves, a top 7-8 ranked WW who has fought and been competitive with Thurman, Rios and Bradley and at the same time praises Khan for fighting Algieri, an guy not even ranked at WW and who was the laughing stock of the boxing world in his only other appearance there.

You're hardly one to talk about double standards. Khan would NEVER fight someone like Chaves. EVER.

[LacedUp]

Margarito was coming off a loss and a 10 rounder, his win over Cotto was 2 years prior to the Pacquiao fight, TWO. In your little world coming off a stoppage and 10 rounder should get you Pacquiao.

Margarito was coming off a loss to Shane Mosley. A hall of famer for the lineal WW crown and a ten rounder.

Khan is coming off wins for no titles against two guys who were coming off losses too

And that deserves Pacquiao? GTFO

[IronDanHamza]

I don't think it was an absolute joke. Only people were complaining about him getting a shot because of the cheating thing. It's not my fault he was mandatory. Being mexican has its perks with the WBC.

But I think Khan is also mandatory for the WBC despite not having fought an eliminator.

He definitely gave Pacquiao a hard fight and hurt him a couple of times. But it ended up being a beating.

I don't really think so. Margarito was recent world champion, beating undefeated Cotto was still fresh in the mind. Fought Mosley albeit getting beaten up.

Honestly, Khan hasn't done any of that. Only thing is he didn't get beaten RECENTLY by a Mosley who had one great fight left in him. But he also hasn't fought anyone.

So I definitely can't say Khan deserves it more.

No people were complaining that he got brutally battered by Mosley, looked terrible against a bum then gets a shot at Pacquaio.

Why does it matter? Margarito being the mandatory was a joke and nothing but sheer corruption. He wasn't Top 10 at 154 and had zero wins against ranked fighters at 154 and hadn't even won a a legit fight since 2008. And if Khan is WBC mandatory then whats the difference?

Yeah he beat Cotto...in 2008. In no way was that fight "fresh in the mind" what was fresh in the mind was Mosley destroying him and going 10 poor rounds with a bum.

How did he give him a hard fight? He hurt him once to the body in the 6th for about 30 seconds and then proceeded to get battered for the rest of the round. That fight was one of the most one sided beatdowns on PPVS in recent memory.

Khan is atleast ranked at WW, atleast has some decent wins in the last year or two.

I don't think Khan deserves the fight but he deserves it a hell of a lot more than Margarito did.

[IronDanHamza]

Margarito was coming off a loss to Shane Mosley. A hall of famer for the lineal WW crown and a ten rounder.

Khan is coming off wins for no titles against two guys who were coming off losses too

And that deserves Pacquiao? GTFO

It doesn't matter he was still 1-1 and the win was a 10 rounder against a bum.

Khan atleast has beaten Alexander and Algeri in the last year. Hardly murderers row but a damn sight better than Margarito had leading up to Pacquaio.

[LacedUp]

No people were complaining that he got brutally battered by Mosley, looked terrible against a bum then gets a shot at Pacquaio.

Why does it matter? Margarito being the mandatory was a joke and nothing but sheer corruption. He wasn't Top 10 at 154 and had zero wins against ranked fighters at 154 and hadn't even won a fight since 2008. And if Khan is WBC mandatory then whats the difference?

Yeah he beat Cotto...in 2008.

How did he give him a hard fight? He hurt him once to the body in the 6th for about 30 seconds and then proceeded to get battered for the rest of the round. That fight was one of the most one sided beatdowns on PPVS in recent memory.

Khan is atleast ranked at WW, atleast has some decent wins in the last year or two.

I don't think Khan deserves the fight but he deserves it a hell of a lot more than Margarito did.

And how is that any different from Khan? How good did he look against Algieri? Who was not even ranked at the weight?

As I said, it was a chance for Pacquiao to go for another weight, I didn't even say Margarito 'deserved' it. I said it happened for the reasons it did. Which is nothing but the truth.

So let's get this straight. In the 3,5 years before Margarito faced Pacquiao he fought:

Paul Williams in a close fight, Golden Johnson (who?), Cintron, Cotto, Mosley (L) and Roberto Garcia coming off a winning streak. He had fought for and won LINEAL belts in this time.

In Khan's last 3,5 years he has fought:

Danny Garcia (KO4L), Carlos Molina (who?), Julio Diaz, Luis Collazo, Devon Alexander and Chris Algieri. He didn't fight for any titles and hasn't fought a natural WW yet, except for Collazo.

And you're trying to tell me he deserves a fight more than Margarito.

No thanks.

[LacedUp]

It doesn't matter he was still 1-1 and the win was a 10 rounder against a bum.

Khan atleast has beaten Alexander and Algeri in the last year. Hardly murderers row but a damn sight better than Margarito had leading up to Pacquaio.

Roberto Garcia wasn't a bum. Just not very good.

Yeah you're right. Hardly murderous row. At all.

At least Margarito had been on a murderous row.

[Cinci Champ]

he's just using khans name

i agree i think he was hoping to use him for anti haymon pr