Comments Thread For: Golovkin's Promoter Reacts To Canelo's 155 Demand

[Willy Wanker]

Canelo needs drop to 154 and vacate the MW title if he beats Cotto. Or just move up to 160.

I'm over this 155 lb. nonsense. Once Canelo moves up to 156, will he just add one pound every two years and retire at 159.5?

[thack]

If that's the case then drop the middleweight title you idiot , you have no right to be in that division with a title.

[about.thousands]

It's over for GGG.

This is a terrible strategy by K2 and team GGG. The main complaint of GGG is that he fights nobodies, his resume is weak. K2 and team GGG are doing nothing to change that. So lets say Cotto/Canelo vacates, GGG picks up the title, beats Tureano Johnson and beats the winner of Lee/Saunders. People will still say his resume is weak. None of those fighters do anything to stem that criticism. So now he's sitting there as the unified champion. Who does he fight next? This path to gather all the belts does nothing to make GGG great. If Cotto/Canelo vacates K2 and team GGG needs to come up with another strategy because Johnson, Saunders/Lee is not the path to greatness. And again, after Johnson, Lee/Saunders, who does he fight next?

[Eastcoast]

yeah, canelo will inevitably have to fight golovkin anyway, even if he loses to cotto. he's getting bigger and bigger and golovkin is rapidly sweeping up all of the titles. he's virtually cornered

p.s. as much as i'd love to see golovkin here in the uk, i would think the andy lee fight would take place in nyc

Lee's promotional rights in the US belong to Lou DiBella. Steve Kim said he heard rumors that when Lee accepted the Quillin fight he may have given up some rights in the US. I know Lee's not exactly a star in the UK, but Golovkin is looking to break into new markets.

With a potential Eubank fight on the horizon and having learned from not being able to secure the Froch fight, they may want to use the Lee fight as their opportunity to establish him in the UK market. I think they made a big mistake not having the Murray fight there even if it would've been a smaller show. Also, Lee's not exactly a draw in NY. That's really a bit overplayed as he's never been the attraction there that John Duddy was.

[Eastcoast]

This is a terrible strategy by K2 and team GGG. The main complaint of GGG is that he fights nobodies, his resume is weak. K2 and team GGG are doing nothing to change that. So lets say Cotto/Canelo vacates, GGG picks up the title, beats Tureano Johnson and beats the winner of Lee/Saunders. People will still say his resume is weak. None of those fighters do anything to stem that criticism. So now he's sitting there as the unified champion. Who does he fight next? This path to gather all the belts does nothing to make GGG great. If Cotto/Canelo vacates K2 and team GGG needs to come up with another strategy because Johnson, Saunders/Lee is not the path to greatness. And again, after Johnson, Lee/Saunders, who does he fight next?

Even if he dropped down to 155lbs and beat Canelo, how much credit would he really get? If Hopkins beat Trinidad right after Tito beat Vargas (before Reid & Joppy), Hopkins wouldn't have received near as much credit.

That was the problem with taking the Lemieux fight now, everybody just wrote Lemieux off like he was a nobody. But if Lemeiux had been allowed to go on HBO and destroy a couple more decent MW's like Tureano Johnson & Curtis Stevens, then Lemieux would've been seen as atleast a little more legit of a threat. Same deal with Alvarez, let him show he can beat down 160lbers like Heiland, Chudinov, or Saunders - then match him with Golovkin.

[SteveM]

If the goal is mass appeal then GGG is going to have to fight at 155. I don't see how GGG fighting some scrub for the vacant title helps him at all. In order to get the big money fight he's been yearning for he has to bow down to the Canelo/Cotto winner.

I'd rather see a Canelo Golovkin fight but I do think 155 would see GGG drained. I'd see a fairer fight at 157/158.

The other option is to take the vacated belt and wait Canelo out. The fight would only grow in size if they both remain unbeaten. It doesn't look as though Canelo will be able to make 155 in 18 months time.

[SteveM]

Canelo's days at 155lbs are coming to an end, he already tried to get Cotto to fight him at 156lbs for this fight. He's a big dude, by the end of 2016 that weight cut will be too difficult for him.

Golovkin can have his big homecoming fight in Kazakhstan vs Tureano Johnson in the new arena, then go fight Andy Lee in London in front of another 20k people on SKY ppv. He doesn't need to fight Canelo right away and can wait for Canelo to have to move up. I'd rather see Canelo establish himself at 160lbs first anyway so that their fight is bigger and Golovkin receives more credit for beating him. After Tito KO'd Reid & Joppy, people were convinced he'd beat Bernard. Alvarez could use a couple of wins like that.

Good post - my thinking is the same , see above post.

[TheCleaner]

a title fight only 1lb above the next lower limit, it's just wrong. and for anyone saying it's like GGG and ward, how??? canelo is fighting cotto in the same division as GGG, ward since returning has fought at LHW, but GGG has never even fought at SMW (OK, 161 in 2008).
so why the hell would he be fighting ward who is 2 divisions above, and that be justification for why canelo shouldn't fight him at mw. no one cares that he said he'd beat anyone 154-168, that's not specific, could have easily meant if they came to 160. when GGG calls out canelo and cotto, he's calling out people in his own division... he wants to unify and one of then will have the belt, its simple

[SteveM]

This is a terrible strategy by K2 and team GGG. The main complaint of GGG is that he fights nobodies, his resume is weak. K2 and team GGG are doing nothing to change that. So lets say Cotto/Canelo vacates, GGG picks up the title, beats Tureano Johnson and beats the winner of Lee/Saunders. People will still say his resume is weak. None of those fighters do anything to stem that criticism. So now he's sitting there as the unified champion. Who does he fight next? This path to gather all the belts does nothing to make GGG great. If Cotto/Canelo vacates K2 and team GGG needs to come up with another strategy because Johnson, Saunders/Lee is not the path to greatness. And again, after Johnson, Lee/Saunders, who does he fight next?

"Great" is subjective. Being a unified champion is not a shabby achievement - even if there are no elites on the resume. Nobody questions Olympic Gold medals as achievements - although some came against better comp than others.

The way you are talking about "great" comes across as ATG - and to achieve that you need a slice of luck in having other great fighters around at your time. If GGG goes up and fights Ward that is only one fight - it still wouldn't make him an ATG in most eyes although it would seal his status as elite.

[Outwest Exp 355]

I'd rather see a Canelo Golovkin fight but I do think 155 would see GGG drained. I'd see a fairer fight at 157/158.

The other option is to take the vacated belt and wait Canelo out. The fight would only grow in size if they both remain unbeaten. It doesn't look as though Canelo will be able to make 155 in 18 months time.

Personally I don't think Canelo fights GGG for at least 2 more years. GGG is already 33. Time isn't on GGG's side. No way Canelo fights this dude while he's still in his prime.