Waddell+Reed's PBC investment has lost 59% of it's value.

[El-blanco]

The point that you're clearly avoiding is that PBC's effort doesn't fit that trope because Haymon, and not the actual channel, is putting up the money and bearing the risk; the only way that PBC gets taken off of the air would be if Haymon simply ran out of money (with the project already having the tv paid for through 2018, Haymon may even have the leeway to sublet some of those backend TV dates to cover current costs, if need be).

How is NBC or CBS or any of the other channels going to "cancel a show" when, from the assumed layman's take on the deals, said show is being treated as "paid programming"? lol

I'm talking about in the future. You seem to think some network will pay for it when I just illustrated they wouldn't. **** you're dumb and slow.

[El-blanco]

God damn you're a dumb. The only way to sustain this is if the network offers a deal. Haymon cannot prop this up forever with hedge fund money. And the networks are not gonna pay 50x for 2x the ratings, or worse

Exactly, scipio is a ****in ******.

[Eff Pandas]

First off, What PBC spends on this NBC shows is far more than what any tv deal will pay them.

I don't believe that at all.

Most of the money PBC has spent was on timebuys & probably that giant ass production deal they got that lets you know you are watching a PBC card. If PBC's bankroll was just based on the shows revenue & expenses I suspect they got bout $250M more in the war chest still worse case.

The thing is all this is speculation cuz we can't see their books, but if you don't think timebuys with 8(?) different tv networks that cover iirc as far as two or three years worth of time is costing you a pretty penny I don't think you are being realistic on the dip the investment took just based off of that huge investment.

Second off, if your going to play boxingscene sports marketer you should learn about target audience.

LOL okay. So now ratings don't even matter now that you see Boxing, UFC & NHL got somewhat similar ratings? Now ratings don't matter unless there the "target" mfers?

The numbers only tell half the story. You want to know why NHL and UFC can get that kind if deal. Because marketers consider there audience very hard to reach, and worth a ton of $.

Boxing doesn't bring in that same target audience the way UFC or NHL does.

Why is the UFC audience & NHL audience "worth a ton of $" & boxing audiences aren't? I don't think you explained your theory here very well.

And you PBC lovers need to stop ignoring the biggest factor. PBC's ratings are dropping and still haven't proven they can secure longterm sponsors.

That's a pretty big deal. If PBC can't secure long term sponsors they'll be done in no time, that's a fact. That was the whole point of the time buy, to prove they could.

Done in no time? I've been hearing PBC's demise any day now since January or whenever it got announced. I'll take the over vs guys like you all day.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

This thread has so much ******ity to it...


Idiots with no idea about investments, and about 20$ in their bank account are trying to talk down legit private equity companies...

Dudes spending less than 1% of holdings, and idiots acting like its the end of the world..

And every idiot on here has no concept of proof of concept...


If Pbc is so ******,,, then tell me how to get boxing back on network TV???

[IMDAZED]

Exactly, scipio is a ****in ******.

No, you are for agreeing with that simpleton. Come on, wisen up and step back. Everyone knows that he needs to get a network on board. No one is denying this. What we're saying is that it is way too soon to tell and these numbers aren't indicative of anything negative. In fact, it means the opposite because he's already secured a major piece of the puzzle, getting TV dates. Promoters have spent years tussling over a small pool of dates on HBO and Showtime. Haymon's locked in hundreds of them over the next few years.

So what then? It's been eight months and results are mixed. Which was to be expected. But as a fight fan, I'm getting way more fights and a lot of them are good, whether people want to admit it or not. And Thurman-Porter is a big way to kick off the new year. Why not chill out and see how it unfolds?

[The Gambler1981]

Yea a network will pay because it is sports content the one thing people have to watch live and every networks needs more sports. The ratings are inline with most sports outside of football so someone is going to pay.

It is not a matter of if it is a matter of how much they pull.

[HeroBando]

No, you are for agreeing with that simpleton. Come on, wisen up and step back. Everyone knows that he needs to get a network on board. No one is denying this. What we're saying is that it is way too soon to tell and these numbers aren't indicative of anything negative. In fact, it means the opposite because he's already secured a major piece of the puzzle, getting TV dates. Promoters have spent years tussling over a small pool of dates on HBO and Showtime. Haymon's locked in hundreds of them over the next few years.

So what then? It's been eight months and results are mixed. Which was to be expected. But as a fight fan, I'm getting way more fights and a lot of them are good, whether people want to admit it or not. And Thurman-Porter is a big way to kick off the new year. Why not chill out and see how it unfolds?

Maybe you should read the post we were responding to, dumba$$. Tell me again how its good business paying 50x for 2x the ratings, economist

[AddiX]

LOL okay. So now ratings don't even matter now that you see Boxing, UFC & NHL got somewhat similar ratings? Now ratings don't matter unless there the "target" mfers?



Why is the UFC audience & NHL audience "worth a ton of $" & boxing audiences aren't? I don't think you explained your theory here very well.


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It's not a theory you Internet educated feral ******.

It's one of the very first things you learn in any marketing class, the reason I know this is because I worked for years in sports marketing and have a masters in marketing. I've worked ipfor boxing promoters and worked on UFC products.

The reason UFC gets so much money for there ratings, despite not being very impressive, is because they market to young WHITE males.

This target audience is considered one if the hardest groups to reach, but are highly valuable to marketers because of there excess income.

That's why Haymon is blowing so much money on networks that target that audience, without them PBC has no chance. And he hasn't got them yet.

Now why don't you learn something before running your mouth again. You and none of the people talking About PBC as if it isn't a complete failure have a clue what your talking about.

[AddiX]

Maybe you should read the post we were responding to, dumba$$. Tell me again how its good business paying 50x for 2x the ratings, economist

Don't bother with that guy. He just repeats himself and then accuses you of not understanding. And than he will post a 7 month old article and say read it, as if it still has any relevance.

PBC has blown through over 300$ million, yet have 0 assets, and plummeting ratings, they are literally worthless by business standards.

"PBC is doing fine bro, you don't know what your talking about, it's part of the plan."

These dudes are clowns.

[HeroBando]

Don't bother with that guy. He just repeats himself and then accuses you of not understanding. And than he will post a 7 month old article and say read it, as if it still has any relevance.

PBC has blown through over 300$ million, yet have 0 assets, and plummeting ratings, they are literally worthless by business standards.

"PBC is doing fine bro, you don't know what your talking about, it's part of the plan."

These dudes are clowns.

Yeah I know he's useless, but not the epic idiot the Scipio clown is