Waddell+Reed's PBC investment has lost 59% of it's value.

[Scipio2009]

I'm talking about in the future. You seem to think some network will pay for it when I just illustrated they wouldn't. **** you're dumb and slow.

The UFC got $100m per year to broadcast what amounts to 40 shows per year (while also keeping a dozen of the bigger showdowns for themselves, to put on PPV) on Fox, largely to fill FS1 with some first-run live content.

If boxing's audience proves to be there (which is the main focus of the PBC project), do you honestly believe that a network isn't going to pay at least what UFC got for 40 shows per year (especially knowing that said network would only lose 2-3 top shows to PPV, and another 10 or so shows to ESPN)?

Live sporting content is the last bastion of top ad rates for most broadcasters; ignore that if you want.

[Deevel916]

The UFC got $100m per year to broadcast what amounts to 40 shows per year (while also keeping a dozen of the bigger showdowns for themselves, to put on PPV) on Fox, largely to fill FS1 with some first-run live content.

If boxing's audience proves to be there (which is the main focus of the PBC project), do you honestly believe that a network isn't going to pay at least what UFC got for 40 shows per year (especially knowing that said network would only lose 2-3 top shows to PPV, and another 10 or so shows to ESPN)?

Live sporting content is the last bastion of top ad rates for most broadcasters; ignore that if you want.

UfC was still fairly new and exciting. 2 guys going for the kill in a cage?....what bloodthirsty fight fan wouldn't like that?

PBC isn't offering anything remotely as exciting. For the most part they're putting on a bunch of cards featuring a bunch of boxers that nobody really knows nor cares about. Even their "stars" aren't household names outside of the diehard fans with the exception of maybe khan and Danny Garcia.

It doesn't take a genius to see that PBC is in bad shape. They blew through 60% of a half a billion dollar investment and no way to stop the bleeding in sight. Aside from porter/Thurman and quillen/Jacobs, they're nothing else intriguing in their schedule. Those 2 fights are the best they have to offer yet many casuals don't even know who these guys are. Not to mention, the word is that these fights will be aired on showtime. How does this help build the PBC brand?

Haymon/PBC fanboys need to realize that criticism of a bad product isn't hate. It's criticism of a lackluster product. I give praise to Haymon for trying but I don't see how this will succeed. He has over 200 fighters but without a Cotto, Canelo, GGG , kovalev, etc.. They have no big names to draw interest to the brand. Haymon dropped the ball by not using Floyd to be the face of the PBC brand.

[Deevel916]

Deevel -

Before long more people will know their boxers than know other boxers because their boxers are fighting on the widest platforms. You're seriously underestimating the power of three years on CBS, NBC, ABC, Fox, ESPN, FS1, Spike, NBC Sports, etc.

Three years from now there will be an entire new generation of stars far beyond what any non-PBC promoters will be able to develop. The money was spent securing years of TV time. That TV time has been paid in full up front.

So the bleeding has already stopped. You really have no idea what you're talking about.

If you don't enjoy their shows, so be it. People should like whatever they like.

Haymon doesn't have a Cotto or Canelo, but he has the next generation of stars locked up and there's nothing HBO can do to make new stars that can compete with what can be done with CBS/NBC/ESPN/etc exposure.

If U ask me, spreading out cards amongst all those platforms on random days and time slots is what's hurting PBC the most. They can't pick up any traction because they're all over the place and its a bad formula to try and build a casual following.

[paulf]

"Make this money back"

The idiocy is astounding.

[doom_specialist]

People really need to let this pan out instead of declaring it dead. It's been like 8 months, and they have airtime already paid for until like 2018 or something :/

[daggum]

People really need to let this pan out instead of declaring it dead. It's been like 8 months, and they have airtime already paid for until like 2018 or something :/

yea they have the air time but can they pay their fighters? all the high budget fights are going on showtime and all the low budget fights are going on pbc. that can't be good.

[doom_specialist]

yea they have the air time but can they pay their fighters? all the high budget fights are going on showtime and all the low budget fights are going on pbc. that can't be good.

If they paid for 3 years of air time, I'm sure they made a plan for the fighters too. Haymon is Harvard educated. Pretty sure he knows what he's doing.

[Rath]

If they paid for 3 years of air time, I'm sure they made a plan for the fighters too. Haymon is Harvard educated. Pretty sure he knows what he's doing.

if Haymon was Harvard educated in business and a lawyer to booth, i am sure he also know how to screw investor and get away with it.

[doom_specialist]

if Haymon was Harvard educated in business and a lawyer to booth, i am sure he also know how to screw investor and get away with it.

You guys give Haymon entirely too much credit.

But for the record, he studied economics.

[Deevel916]

Deevel -

It's actually a brilliant formula to try and build a casual following because they're on so many channels, so often, that hundreds of thousands of sports fans that don't normally watch boxing are starting to stumble across the shows.

No matter what day or time someone prefers to watch TV, they're going to eventually come across PBC while flipping through the channels. It's inevitable.

What it's also doing is locking everybody else out. FS1 wanted boxing on Tuesdays, so PBC is giving it to them. Spike wanted boxing on Fridays, so PBC is giving it to them. Other promoters would have ended up on those channels if PBC wasn't willing to run those nights.

Again, I can understand fans being confused by a lot of what is going on, but what I can't understand is why so many here would automatically assume Haymon will fail when he's been so incredibly successful for DECADES.

That doesn't guarantee success, but a reasonable person would take a wait and see approach, even if they don't understand his methods.

If some random layman on the internet doesn't understand the methods of one of the most intelligent and successful people in sports and entertainment, maybe the layman should consider that the Harvard business grad multimillionaire might be a little smarter than they are.

I have to disagree. Buying up commercial time and advertising on a plethora of networks would have been a better strategy. Go all out to let the public know what channel/date/time your next fight is on. As it stands, PBC has very poor promotion. Many fights come and go with many fans not even knowing they were on. Yes the diehards will know as they follow the sport religiously, but the average casual fan wont.

Now had he kept it to 2 or 3 networks and had a consistent schedule, I think they would be faring better with ratings. The average tv viewer who tunes into a specific show just wants to know what day/time/channel this show is going to be on. For example... The millions who tune in to watch empire know that its on at 9pm on Wednedays on fox 5. The millions who tune in to watch walking dead know that its on at 9pm ET on Sundays on AMC. Easy to remember and easy to work it into your schedule. Now had these shows jumped from network to network at different time slots and on different days, they'd lose the majority of their viewers.