Comments Thread For: Stevenson's Promoter on Kovalev vs. Ward Showdown

[tiliheels]

HBO had a deal with Stevenson to fight Kovalev BEFORE haymon. Haymon turned down that fight and took him off HBO saying he was getting a bigger money "more significant" fight with hopkins. Problem is he didn't. And all the big money fights that were on the table years ago he still hasn't fought. Right now Kovalev, Stevenson, Pascal, Hopkins are the top 4 guys at light heavyweight. They are the hands down biggest names. When Ward officially moves to 175 he will enter that list. That means the top 4 guys ranking and popularity wise will all be fighting each other while Stevenson is on the outside looking in because of Haymon's beefs. As for things drying up for HBO? Right now on ESPN's top 10 pound for pound list. 9 of the top 10 are HBO fighters. Only non HBO guy is Rigo. And if Wilder refuses to fight Wlad that hurts him and his credibility not Wlad. He's the paper champ not Wlad who is the world recognized best Heavyweight in the world and future first ballot HOF. That's Haymon's problem he has a ton of fighters but very few stars and very few that are considered the best at their weight. The Pacmans, Canelo's, Cottos, GGG's, Wlads, Roman, Kovalev, Ward, Bradley, Lomachenko, Crawford ect. If Haymon refuses to let his fighters face the best fighters in the division most of them are non Haymon fighters that just hurts their credibility.

and duva sued for that and she saw she couldnt win so she dropped it...u're point is void...haymon fighter war not welcome on hbo i dont care if they sign the day before the fight...i bet u th eifhgt wouldnt have happened at that time..

[bigdunny1]

Here is what stevenson did in terms of TV viewers on HBO his last 3 fights as HBO built him into a star. His popularity was at it's height his last fight with Bellew where he shared the card with Kovalev and it was agreed they would fight each other after that fight.

Dawson 1M
Cloud 1.2M
Bellew 1.3M

Since signing with Haymon who forced him to back out the Kovalev fight to supposedly get a bigger fight with Hopkins here is what his TV ratings looked like on Showtime
Fonfara 672K
Sukhotsky 323K

And his fight last month on SpikeTV did
Karpency 581K

His reputation and legacy has been dragged through the mud and he's accused of being a ducker. He still hasn't gotten the mega fight he was looking for 2 years ago. Again how has Haymon helped his career the dude is pushing 40 and just flushed his best 2 years of his career down the drain fighting weak competition and getting crappy ratings in the process. Meanwhile the guy he ducked has seen his popularity sky rocket and is fighting all the top guys that he can't because of Haymon's beefs.

[bigdunny1]

and duva sued for that and she saw she couldnt win so she dropped it...u're point is void...haymon fighter war not welcome on hbo i dont care if they sign the day before the fight...i bet u th eifhgt wouldnt have happened at that time..

No she dropped it when she stole the Hopkins fight and got Kovalev the big money fight she needed. That's the irony in all this Haymon justified backing out the Kovalev fight to get the bigger money Hopkins fight and Kovalev ends up getting that fight not Stevenson. lol And again the proof is clear the longer they don't fight the more it hurts Stevenson NOT Kovalev. Fact Stevenson's career was at it's height before Haymon joined and sabotaged his career.

[tiliheels]

Here is what stevenson did in terms of TV viewers on HBO his last 3 fights as HBO built him into a star. His popularity was at it's height his last fight with Bellew where he shared the card with Kovalev and it was agreed they would fight each other after that fight.

Dawson 1M
Cloud 1.2M
Bellew 1.3M

Since signing with Haymon who forced him to back out the Kovalev fight to supposedly get a bigger fight with Hopkins here is what his TV ratings looked like on Showtime
Fonfara 672K
Sukhotsky 323K

And his fight last month on SpikeTV did
Karpency 581K

His reputation and legacy has been dragged through the mud and he's accused of being a ducker. He still hasn't gotten the mega fight he was looking for 2 years ago. Again how has Haymon helped his career the dude is pushing 40 and just flushed his best 2 years of his career down the drain fighting weak competition and getting crappy ratings in the process. Meanwhile the guy he ducked has seen his popularity sky rocket and is fighting all the top guys that he can't because of Haymon's beefs.

the purses have went up each time..fonfar might be the 3rd or 4th best LHW..sukhosky ko'd kovalevs last opponent...
the fact will remain hbo kicked haymon off...and that hbo told duva to duck a purse bid...

hbo is likely writing "no haymon" clauses into their exclusive contracts

[tiliheels]

No she dropped it when she stole the Hopkins fight and got Kovalev the big money fight she needed. And again the proof is clear the longer they don't fight the more it hurts Stevenson NOT Kovalev. Fact Stevenson's career was at it's height before Haymon joined and sabotaged his career.

yea thats the false theory, but al was being sue'd by golden boy at the time why would she not get a big money fight and a win in court?? that sounds just dumb and it was not big money fight kovalev made under 500k.....stevenson is happy that is my last point..

you need to stop listening to tstreet lol

[bigdunny1]

the purses have went up each time..fonfar might be the 3rd or 4th best LHW..sukhosky ko'd kovalevs last opponent...
the fact will remain hbo kicked haymon off...and that hbo told duva to duck a purse bid...

hbo is likely writing "no haymon" clauses into their exclusive contracts

His purses went up for for fights against 2nd and 3rd tier competition. But he is STILL not making the big money he would be making for fighting top guys like Kovalev, Hopkins, Pascal, Ward. Just a month ago he made 750K for his last PBC fight. It's not like he making superstar money or the money he could be getting to fight any of those guys on HBO or PPV. His career would of been much better off fighting Kovalev years ago. He had a better chance then then he would now considering that Kovalev is improving while Stevenson because of age is declining. And going to Haymon has done nothing to improve his popularity, career or legacy. Stevenson was the bigger name and draw years ago PRIOR to signing with Haymon and the ratings reflect that. Kovalev has clearly past him with wins over Hopkins and Pascal. And a potential fight and win over Ward takes him to a level Stevenson can't get to. Why because Haymon won't let him fight any HBO guys lol

[brettWall]

You can smell a duck from a mile away. Just as you can figure who wants the fight. This is not rocket science. Man who are we kidding? It's best to leave this Quackenson alone and move on. Let him rot with his belts and whither away in disgrace.

[bigdunny1]

yea thats the false theory, but al was being sue'd by golden boy at the time why would she not get a big money fight and a win in court??

Are you dumb her lawsuit claimed damages done to her by Haymon by costing her millions in a missed mega fight. Can't keep a lawsuit when you go on to fight Hopkins instead of Stevenson and make as much if not more money. She no longer had a case for damages once they got the Hopkins fight as a substitute if not upgrade fight. Who's career is better or right now Kovalev or Stevenson? Who suffers more if they don't fight each other Kovalev or Stevenson? It's not even close you have to be a complete fool to not see that fact. lol Kovalev is in relevant fights with the best and most popular fighters in the division. Stevenson is fighting bums on PBC and Showtime getting booed and embarrassing himself.

[tiliheels]

His purses went up for for fights against 2nd and 3rd tier competition. But he is STILL not making the big money he would be making for fighting top guys like Kovalev, Hopkins, Pascal, Ward. Just a month ago he made 750K for his last PBC fight. It's not like he making superstar money or the money he could be getting to fight any of those guys on HBO or PPV. His career would of been much better off fighting Kovalev years ago. He had a better chance then then he would now considering that Kovalev is improving while Stevenson because of age is declining. And going to Haymon has done nothing to improve his popularity, career or legacy. Stevenson was the bigger name and draw years ago PRIOR to signing with Haymon and the ratings reflect that. Kovalev has clearly past him with wins over Hopkins and Pascal. And a potential fight and win over Ward takes him to a level Stevenson can't get to. Why because Haymon won't let him fight any HBO guys lol

trust me he didnt mkae 750k..lara even makes 1 million a showing bro...

u didnt dispute my point about duva dropping her claim just bc of hopkins..u think big mouth hopkins wouldnt hav bragged about being the reason haymon is still afloat?? lol hbo stopped that fight and told her to keep the suit on until she no longer can for public perception...the writers are own by the hbo side..while pbc just does business whether it is written or not..al doesnt do media he puts on fight

[The Big Dunn]

HBO had a deal with Stevenson to fight Kovalev BEFORE haymon. Haymon turned down that fight and took him off HBO saying he was getting a bigger money "more significant" fight with hopkins. Problem is he didn't. And all the big money fights that were on the table years ago he still hasn't fought. Right now Kovalev, Stevenson, Pascal, Hopkins are the top 4 guys at light heavyweight. They are the hands down biggest names. When Ward officially moves to 175 he will enter that list. That means the top 4 guys ranking and popularity wise will all be fighting each other while Stevenson is on the outside looking in because of Haymon's beefs. As for things drying up for HBO? Right now on ESPN's top 10 pound for pound list. 9 of the top 10 are HBO fighters. Only non HBO guy is Rigo. And if Wilder refuses to fight Wlad that hurts him and his credibility not Wlad. He's the paper champ not Wlad who is the world recognized best Heavyweight in the world and future first ballot HOF. That's Haymon's problem he has a ton of fighters but very few stars and very few that are considered the best at their weight. The Pacmans, Canelo's, Cottos, GGG's, Wlads, Roman, Kovalev, Ward, Bradley, Lomachenko, Crawford ect. If Haymon refuses to let his fighters face the best fighters in the division most of them are non Haymon fighters that just hurts their credibility.

No they didn't. Rick Reeno posted the facts here on NSB. HBO failed to get the necessary deal done. Haymon signed and unsigned fighter. HBO then did the same with Kov a year later.

As for fighters, much like KOv, you are not the best unless you beat the best. HBO does have the big names, but as we saw with GGG's PPV you and other HBO loyalists have an outsized perception of how big these guys are.

Look, you obviously want HBO to keep its spot as the top boxing network more than you want to see the best fights. If HBO chooses to ban Haymon fighters and prevent the best fights from happening, so be it.

WHy you as a boxing fan would cosign that is mind boggling.

Just let the highest bidder have the fight. That's the best way to do it. Either HBO puts more into boxing or they lose all the best fights.