Great Britain has nine world champions

[just the facts]

Yeah you said 10, so you were 4 off. All of those fights did 1M or 1M+ and I'm sure there are fights out there I've forgotten.

We're not discussing popularity - You said it was dead in america. how can it be dead with these numbers?

compared to the 60s and 70s, boxing is dead in America

[just the facts]

I'll never understand these Yank ****s that say boxing is dead on one hand but on the other - US home of boxing doe.

The reason why the US isn't as dominant is because the sport isn't as popular as it once was. The decline isn't that great though, I think the bigger factor is that other countries have caught up.

Compare the availability too. Over here we have one channel that caters to our boxing needs and that's once every week or two, US has more than a few channels that shows boxing.

No point trying to have a debate here though when Pigeons is quite clearly trollin'.

Compared to what it was, the decline is that great

[D-MiZe]

He is a glorified gate-keeper he has lost every major title fight he has ever had, outside of all his big named losses he has no good name on his record that he can say he beat and no I wouldn't even have said beating Rios would have counted towards anything but he still lost that.

Good fighters have bottle but who knows the Argentina Vs England thing might actually make him try that and Kell Brook isn't as good as Thurman or Bradley.

Ah, that old chestnut.

Disregarding the different letters and coloured boxes next to names on his BoxRec record, he's proven himself competent against good fighters. If I remember correctly I had Bradley beating him in a close contest and glorified gate-keepers don't push very good fighters like Bradley all the way.

I forgot, fights are fought on paper doe.

[just the facts]

Double? 5 times the population and you've got double the champions?

Wow, you are kicking our arses.

Don't forget the P4P ratings. Not one Brit is on anyones P4P, US has at least 4

[D-MiZe]

Don't forget the P4P ratings. Not one Brit is on anyones P4P, US has at least 4

Yea, so when a fifth American appears the first Brit will.

[D-MiZe]

Compared to what it was, the decline is that great

Those eras are heavily romanticized as being the best decades of boxing with an icon like Muhammad Ali it's not hard to see why. So in a sense, compared to what it used to be like it is somewhat dead as there is no great American superstar about currently.

However, my original point was that even if the decline was that great the notion of other countries catching up is greater.

EDIT: I checked what the thread title was to make sure that my post was relevant. Funny.

[M Bison]

Ah, that old chestnut.

Disregarding the different letters and coloured boxes next to names on his BoxRec record, he's proven himself competent against good fighters. If I remember correctly I had Bradley beating him in a close contest and glorified gate-keepers don't push very good fighters like Bradley all the way.

I forgot, fights are fought on paper doe.

What did he do to deserve to be ranked in top 10?
That could easily be the argument to proving the Welterweight division is weak, who did he beat to deserve a title shot?

That Bradley Vs Chaves fight wasn't close at all.

[D-MiZe]

What did he do to deserve to be ranked in top 10?
That could easily be the argument to proving the Welterweight division is weak, who did he beat to deserve a title shot?

I can't argue that he deserves a title shot based on performances rather than wins, as title rankings are ranked on the latter, I'm just saying that he's not a bad opponent. I don't think anyone would complain if Brook was fighting Thurman or Rios and I consider Chaves on that level.

Are you saying Chaves pushing Bradley is a sign the division is weak?

EDIT: All I remember from Chaves-Bradley is chuckling that Bradley got 'robbed' at home. I don't know what I scored it when I watched it, t'was a year ago now.

[LacedUp]

The point you originally made that Chaves is a poor opponent for Brook. What is it that makes you think that?

Because Amir Khan obviously. He was hoping Brook would face Van Heerden or Bundu, but instead got Chaves which everyone in boxing thinks is a decent fight. Not great, but solid.

[M Bison]

I can't argue that he deserves a title shot based on performances rather than wins, as title rankings are ranked on the latter, I'm just saying that he's not a bad opponent. I don't think anyone would complain if Brook was fighting Thurman or Rios and I consider Chaves on that level.

Are you saying Chaves pushing Bradley is a sign the division is weak?

Actually I think Bradley made the fight harder than it needed to be but he still clearly deserved to get the nod over him, he was landing more frequently and overall the better work was from Bradley.

I think Chaves being a top 10 WW without any decent win says a lot about the integrity and strength of that division.
Its only going to get weaker now that Pacquiao is looking ready to call it quits.