Great Britain has nine world champions

[LacedUp]

rodriguez was absolutely in the top 10 when ward fought him. he'd fit right in with a lot of names on froch's resume, groves particularly, with whom froch struggled and against whom he was nearly stopped.

was froch kicked out of the top 10 for fighting groves and nobody else over the course of mid 2013 to his retirement? they're a similar tier of fighter, particularly when froch had to fight groves the second time whne he was coming off of a knockout loss.

a virtyally blind kessler? if you remember, he was nearly kncoked out by allan green . kessler was all done. a drained yusaf mack at 168 lbs? not only yusaf mack, but a drained one!

the most overrated fighter of the last 10 years in lucian bute?

Was he? I don't think so, and if he was, he was scraping the barrel 1 week at #10 or something like that. Groves was a top 10 fighter and had been according to ring for more than 2 years by the time Froch fought him. Not comparable in the slightest. He was also mandatory for two of Froch's belts on seperate occassions.

The rest is just excuses and the worst analogies / comparisons I have ever heard

[LacedUp]

carl froch retired within weeks of ward's comeback


warrior doe.

"would I go to Nottingham? Absolutely not"

- Andre Ward.

[Biolink]

Stop it. The size argument is so ****** especially since 65 million people on a couple of islands roughly of California is not a small amount sample.

Also it counts a lot more that the Queensbury Rules were established in Great Britain making the boxing pedigree and quality of teaching much higher than say somewhere like China that has a billion people and still can't produce champions.

[NEETzsche]

Stop it. The size argument is so ****** especially since 65 million people on a couple of islands roughly of California is not a small amount sample.

Also it counts a lot more that the Queensbury Rules were established in Great Britain making the boxing pedigree and quality of teaching much higher than say somewhere like China that has a billion people and still can't produce champions.

we also represent a pretty big market, so it is in the interest of the sanctioning bodies to have british champions. warren's "special relationship" with the wbo is well documented, for example

[New England]

Was he? I don't think so, and if he was, he was scraping the barrel 1 week at #10 or something like that. Groves was a top 10 fighter and had been according to ring for more than 2 years by the time Froch fought him. Not comparable in the slightest. He was also mandatory for two of Froch's belts on seperate occassions.

The rest is just excuses and the worst analogies / comparisons I have ever heard

he was in the top 10. if you don't know how to figure that out, thaty's fine, but i do. you can take my word for it, or you can leav eit. i rea;;y don't care much about whether or not you believe me. ring mag publishes year end rankings, and if you go through articles you can find out which wins put guys at which spot, and when.



and his wins are comparable to groves'. he beat a guy named denis grachev in one round, who gave bute heck, knocked out sillakh [ a top amatuer, but not an accomplished pro,] and beat a guy named zolt erdei, who had been around at 175 for a long time. he also came up in america, where the "stepping stone" fighters have much more experience and are typically better. they get better sparring, training, come out of a more robust gym system in our major metropolitan boxing hubs. don george and aaron pryors kid are two examples. they're nobody to write home abut, but hey're more experienced by a long shot than the nobodies groves fought in germany, the UK, etc.

groves best wins are glen johnson's dead body, and a close fight with jim degale, who had 10 fights and took several yers to get back into the top 10.



you can't say that they're not comparable, groves and rodgieuz. they're fringe contenders. froch was nearly stopped by his fringe contender [needed a rematch, could have easily been waved off if you go by the standard by which groves was stopped in that fight.] and ward totally outclassed rodriguez.


as for the rest, you can act like bute wasn't overrated [watch the grachev fight ,] and that kessler wasn't blind, or hadn't been nearly stopped by allan green. or that mack was a better opponent than dawsodn

[LacedUp]

he was in the top 10. if you don't know how to figure that out, thaty's fine, but i do. you can take my word for it, or you can leav eit. i rea;;y don't care much about whether or not you believe me. ring mag publishes year end rankings, and if you go through articles you can find out which wins put guys at which spot, and when.



and his wins are comparable to groves'. he beat a guy named denis grachev in one round, who gave bute heck, knocked out sillakh [ a top amatuer, but not an accomplished pro,] and beat a guy named zolt erdei, who had been around at 175 for a long time. he also came up in america, where the "stepping stone" fighters have much more experience and are typically better. they get better sparring, training, come out of a more robust gym system in our major metropolitan boxing hubs. don george and aaron pryors kid are two examples. they're nobody to write home abut, but hey're more experienced by a long shot than the nobodies groves fought in germany, the UK, etc.

groves best wins are glen johnson's dead body, and a close fight with jim degale, who had 10 fights and took several yers to get back into the top 10.



you can't say that they're not comparable, groves and rodgieuz. they're fringe contenders. froch was nearly stopped by his fringe contender [needed a rematch, could have easily been waved off if you go by the standard by which groves was stopped in that fight.] and ward totally outclassed rodriguez.


as for the rest, you can act like bute wasn't overrated [watch the grachev fight ,] and that kessler wasn't blind, or hadn't been nearly stopped by allan green. or that mack was a better opponent than dawsodn

I know about those guys. Nothing special, not that Groves' resume was either. Groves was still an established top 10 guy, he was not.

Kessler was #2 when Froch fought him and had a belt, Bute was #1 when Froch fought him and had a belt. Groves was #5 both times.

Ward beat #10 and Paul Smith in 4 years. Not really comparable at all.

With regards to Kessler nearly being knocked out. Don't make me laugh. I was at the fight and he was NOT closed to being knocked out. He took a flash knockdown and was straight back up. Bute might have been overrated. Overrated enough for Ward to avoid him.

And of course all of this left Ward with no choice but to spend 3 years of his life begging Froch for a payday, and when it came down to it, he bottled it and fought a british level fighter instead.

[New England]

flash knockdown


his legs weren't, like, wobbling like a baby deer



you guys just don't see fights clearly when your european heroes are involved. americans have been there before, and we act accordingly.

[LacedUp]

flash knockdown


his legs weren't, like, wobbling like a baby deer



you guys just don't see fights clearly when your european heroes are involved. americans have been there before, and we act accordingly.

Point me to the baby deer incidence please.

[New England]

Point me to the baby deer incidence please.

2:10-2:15ish is when it starts. he gets hit and his legs wobble. then he goes down. then he goes to get up and the world is clearly leaning to one side. watch his left leg move incoherently when he tries to get up from one knee.

if you can't see the wobble in his legs, there's no point in discussing anything boxing related with you.

[CraigM]

2:10-2:15ish is when it starts. he gets hit and his legs wobble. then he goes down. then he goes to get up and the world is clearly leaning to one side. watch his left leg move incoherently when he tries to get up from one knee.

if you can't see the wobble in his legs, there's no point in discussing anything boxing related with you.

That was pretty obviously a bit of a stumble rather than a wobble.

Pretty sure thats his only ever knockdown too