Comments Thread For: Roc Nation: GGG's Team Turned Down Ward in 36 Minutes

[HeroBando]

The proposed deal was each fighter take an interim fight.

De La Hoya moved up and fought the distant b-side and p4p Hopkins. He just wanted to do something great and prove that be was the best. That's what it's all about.

Chavez moved to 147 to fight the distant B-side Whitaker.

De La Hoya move up from 140 to fight the distant B-side Whitaker

Cotto moved up to 160 to fight the distant b-side Martinez (we know about the knees after the fact but nobody picked Cotto to win) instead of waiting on Canelo

Leonard after a layoff moved up to fight the distant B-side Hagler

Granted 3 of the examples were at catchweights but you can't negotiate weight and purse split in 36 minutes. Besides, those fighters were a lot more accomplished and earned the right to call shots. They had much better wins than Geale and Murray.

Oh so you agree the 50/50 offer at 164 was a great deal? Those B siders got CWs, and nowhere near 50/50. Too bad Ward dropped the ball again. Of well, maybe he'll try for greatness after the 3 tuneups

[Scipio2009]

And that's almost 2x 40m, mathematician. And that's using your funny numbers again:


http://espn.go.com/boxing/story/_/id...id-celebrities

"Forbes estimates that Mayweather's 12-month total is $300 million, while Pacquiao comes in at $160 million.".

Forbes estimates 4x your fair offer, clown

Forbes, for whatever reason, treat Mayweather and Pacquiao as if their situations were the same but they're not; Pacquiao has a significant amount of his reported earnings paid to Bob Arum (30% to 33%) before seeing a penny. Mayweather sees every penny that he's earned.

Ignoring taxes/camp share/expenses/etc, every revenue stream passes through Top Rank first, with Arum taking his share before sending a penny to Pacquiao [Note how 1)your story was from June 2015 while the $40m offer was made in 2012 and 2)how Forbes methodology counted 3 Pacquiao fights].

Forbes may think that Pacquiao picked up $160m, but that's likely not accurate. Pacquiao basically got $30m for the Mayweather fight (the rest of the money will come in over the 18 months since the fight, with Top Rank likely pocketing the money, as they write-off Pacquiao's past due debts).

Next time, why not bring the Forbes list from 2013, lol.

[HeroBando]

so why 164 man?? i see in your post you dont like Ward but dont be blindly biased

Read PBPs post. Most every time an A sider goes up against a p4p B sider, a CW is in order. But doesn't come with 50/50 lol, so that was most generous

[jqSide]

Granted 3 of the examples were at catchweights but you can't negotiate weight and purse split in 36 minutes. Besides, those fighters were a lot more accomplished and earned the right to call shots. They had much better wins than Geale and Murray.

Haha... and you're not budging in the P4P #2's case against a guy who hasn't done **** just to make the fight happen, eh? You people are bullies.

[Larry the boss]

Read PBPs post. Most every time an A sider goes up against a p4p B sider, a CW is in order. But doesn't come with 50/50 lol, so that was most generous

read what i quoted...GGG says he will fight anyone from 154-168...dude said not 172...i said why demand 164......anyway i think boxers should look up and not down so **** it..

[Scipio2009]

We have seen how cutting weight to 152 for a Mayweather fight affected Alvarez. He was NOT "able to take off weight pretty comfortably". And he was only 23 years old.

It is only 3 pounds difference doe, and he is 2 years older. I do not see him making 155 comfortably, it is his ABSOLUTE limit. And we have seen how it affects his boxing ability. *if in doubt, just check Mayweather fight

lol. You're literally trying to place the blame on Canelo being schooled by Floyd on having to go to 152? ha

[-PBP-]

Oh so you agree the 50/50 offer at 164 was a great deal? Those B siders got CWs, and nowhere near 50/50. Too bad Ward dropped the ball again. Of well, maybe he'll try for greatness after the 3 tuneups

There were no negotiations. They refused after 36 minutes. He probably should get 60/40 since hes taking the risk (which i know ive said before). But all that has to be negotiated. You don't start low to open negotiations.

[Larry the boss]

Ward can go fight Kovalev and Stevenson at 175


GGG can unify 160


lets move on

[OnePunch]

so why 164 man?? i see in your post you dont like Ward but dont be blindly biased

They never offered Ward 164. That was nothing more than a comment from Loeffler to Dan Rafael. It was NOT a formal offer. To my knowledge they have never offered Ward anything. I remember Loeffler talking to Dave Iskowitz about 6 months ago and being told Ward needs 2 or 3 tuneups. Other than that I am aware of no discussions, other that the silly offer from Roc for them to skip Cotto-Canelo winner and fight Ward at a 50-50 revenue split sometime next year.....

[MDPopescu]

He doesn't have a "quality" win, remember? That makes him unproven. It's why his p4p ranking is unearned, he doesn't have a "prime A level fighter" like Froch on his resume. It's creditworthy he tried to make that his 1st fight at 168, far better than Azea Augustama say. Better even than Yunieski lol.

How about you show me one fighter in boxing that went up in weight to fight a division+ bigger p4p #2, who's the distant B side yet wants purse parity. How about when you got your first unification lined up on HBO PPV, and a megafight for 3 belts + lineal in the pipeline? Any examples there?

Yes, he doesn't have... But why?
Back in 2012, Golovkin called out Pirog (then Pirog retired). Starting with 2013, he called out Martinez, Chavez Jr, Ward, Quillin, Cotto, Froch... They all ducked...
Lately, Ward is acting as if he wants to fight GGG, exactly when GGG has a unification fight with Lemieux and he is mandatory for the Cotto-Canelo winner... Now, try to put yourself in GGG's place. What you do? You give up everything it's built up at 160 and wait to fight Ward "sometimes in 2016"? ... Be serious...