Matthysse Never Winning a Title is Not Because of Politics......

[The Big Dunn]

Mattysee fought for the real titles not paper belts. But doesn't matter he's still has a better resume than some of your favorite fighters.

No he doesn't and why you and some of his fans refuse to acknowledge this makes no sense. If he doesn't win by KO, he is 3-4-1. The 5 best fighters he has faced-zab, devon, Garcia, postol, Petersen-he is 1-4.

He does have solid wins, but the realty is he fails more than he succeeds when fighting the very best.

[-PBP-]

Yeah, I get that but I think he won both of them. Even scored knock downs. Only thing he could have done more was knock Zab and Devon out.

Like Khan, Cotto and Tszyu did when presented with the opportunity.

You can't say a guy is getting screwed over by politics when the path to a title goes through a past prime Zab Judah and Kaizer Mabuza. That's the typical road to a title for any Haymon fighter.

[Chrismart]

Who is even arguing that Matthysse is elite? You're kind of changing your criteria here, PBP. You don't need to be elite to win a world title. Lucas is clearly good enough to win a world title, as he has beaten other fighters who have won world titles. He didn't win one because he wasn't good enough for the best, but always challenged the best. If he had numerous opportunities at a world title against dead average fighters he would have won one already.

And seriously, let's stop acting like his fight against Judah was a let down or disappointment. He was the nobody foreigner brought in to make a "revitalized" Judah look good. It was the first time Matthysse ever went 12 rounds and a huge jump in competition. Other fighters have done worse making that jump than Matthysse did that night.

If Matthysse had management that was really desperate to put any world title on him, he would have one. Boxing politics did play a role.

How in the world is the Judah fight his Malignaggi moment? Broner was the p4p heir that was supposed to kick the crap out of Malignaggi and barely escaped with a win. Matthysse was supposed to lose to Judah and most thought he won. If Broner had been the nobody brought in to make Paulie look good, who knows if he would have even gotten that decision? It's not like he was really any better against Paulie than Matthysse was against Judah.

Let Matthysse fight for a vacant belt against Josesito Lopez in four months like others get to and see if he isn't a world champion.

Great posts.

[-PBP-]

No he doesn't and why you and some of his fans refuse to acknowledge this makes no sense. If he doesn't win by KO, he is 3-4-1. The 5 best fighters he has faced-zab, devon, Garcia, postol, Petersen-he is 1-4.

He does have solid wins, but the realty is he fails more than he succeeds when fighting the very best.

Look at what the sport of boxing has done for Lucas Matthysse:

1. An easy path to a title. All he has to do is beat Judah and Mabuza. - Failed

2. A co-feature on the 2nd biggest PPV of all time - Lost

3. An HBO headliner to put himself in position to fight the 2nd biggest cash cow in boxing history. - Lost


Oh those shameful politics. It's everybody's fault but Matthysse's

[creekrat77]

Yea I know, not only about politics but solely. ***** has it out for Mathysse mark my words.

[The Big Dunn]

Look at what the sport of boxing has done for Lucas Matthysse:

1. An easy path to a title. All he has to do is beat Judah and Mabuza. - Failed

2. A co-feature on the 2nd biggest PPV of all time - Lost

3. An HBO headliner to put himself in position to fight the 2nd biggest cash cow in boxing history. - Lost


Oh those shameful politics. It's everybody's fault but Matthysse's

Matts has every political advantage Broner has. When Broner loses fights handed to him on a silver platter, NSB talks about Broner's shortcomings, as we should. When Lucas does the same thing, its politics, robberies, etc. No talk about his shortcomings, which by now should be evident.

The hard truth Lucas fans need to admit is he was given 2 very winnable fights to setup lucrative fights with Floyd and then Manny. He blew both of those opportunities.

Lucas problems are not political, they are in the mirror.

[imperial1]

I didn't even mention that fight

My bad thought you did ..

[bojangles1987]

Look at what the sport of boxing has done for Lucas Matthysse:

1. An easy path to a title. All he has to do is beat Judah and Mabuza. - Failed

2. A co-feature on the 2nd biggest PPV of all time - Lost

3. An HBO headliner to put himself in position to fight the 2nd biggest cash cow in boxing history. - Lost


Oh those shameful politics. It's everybody's fault but Matthysse's

Once again you're changing the topic. You're focusing on Lucas Matthysse not being good enough to be elite or one of the best in the sport. You're right, he has no one or nothing to blame except himself and his shortcomings as a fighter.

But you started this thread to say boxing politics are why he hasn't won a world title, which is only partly true. Yes, he hasn't won a world title in his 3 opportunities. He also had those 3 opportunities against fighters who most fighters don't have to go through in order to win a world title. Boxing politics are part of the reason he doesn't get to fight Matthew Hatton at a CW to win a world title or Khabib coming off a loss. Boxing politics are why he doesn't get world title shots against failed prospects or shot to pieces names.

There are a lot of fighters who would never win a world title without those gimmes.

[The Big Dunn]

Once again you're changing the topic. You're focusing on Lucas Matthysse not being good enough to be elite or one of the best in the sport. You're right, he has no one or nothing to blame except himself and his shortcomings as a fighter.

But you started this thread to say boxing politics are why he hasn't won a world title, which is only partly true. Yes, he hasn't won a world title in his 3 opportunities. He also had those 3 opportunities against fighters who most fighters don't have to go through in order to win a world title. Boxing politics are part of the reason he doesn't get to fight Matthew Hatton at a CW to win a world title or Khabib coming off a loss. Boxing politics are why he doesn't get world title shots against failed prospects or shot to pieces names.

There are a lot of fighters who would never win a world title without those gimmes.

Boxing politics gave him 2 very winnable fights against Danny and Postol, fights he was favored in, to get a chance at the 2 biggest stars in the sport.

The politics helped him far more than it hurt him.

[-PBP-]

Once again you're changing the topic. You're focusing on Lucas Matthysse not being good enough to be elite or one of the best in the sport. You're right, he has no one or nothing to blame except himself and his shortcomings as a fighter.

But you started this thread to say boxing politics are why he hasn't won a world title, which is only partly true. Yes, he hasn't won a world title in his 3 opportunities. He also had those 3 opportunities against fighters who most fighters don't have to go through in order to win a world title. Boxing politics are part of the reason he doesn't get to fight Matthew Hatton at a CW to win a world title or Khabib coming off a loss. Boxing politics are why he doesn't get world title shots against failed prospects or shot to pieces names.

There are a lot of fighters who would never win a world title without those gimmes.

Boxing politics gave him 2 very winnable fights against Danny and Postol, fights he was favored in, to get a chance at the 2 biggest stars in the sport.

The politics helped him far more than it hurt him.

And to add, I'm not saying boxing politics don't exist. They do. But if anything they have been favorable to Matthysse. You can't expect the WBC to bend over backwards for him the same way they do for Canelo.

The point is, politics haven't prevented Matthysse from winning a title. His shortcomings as a fighter have. Lucas Matthysse has never won a world title because he blew the opportunities he was given.

His first opportunity stands out the most because Judah was past it at that point.