Matthysse Never Winning a Title is Not Because of Politics......

[SalimShady1212]

lol, GGG unified his WBA title with rubio's interim WBC title.

BS why Lucas couldn't do the same with the IBF.

[-PBP-]

Gatekeeper? Are you taking the mick or just trolling? Devon Alexander was 21-1 and 90% people agree Lucas beat him. In a 10 round fight with a KD, Alexander would need 6 for a DRAW and 7 for a WIN, clear hometown decision. The Judah fight could have gone either way and I along with Ledermen had it 114-113 Lucas.

They didn't "capitalise", they have way better managers. Contursi (chino's manager) always gets the best stylistic match ups where Maidana's team are ****e, they always picked slick fighters. I.e. that gatekeeper Devon Alexander 10-0d Chino

Alexander wasn't a title fight or an eliminator. It was 10 rounds.

Matthysse lost to Judah. Elite fighters beat Judah level opposition convincingly.

[SalimShady1212]

Alexander wasn't a title fight or an eliminator. It was 10 rounds.

Matthysse lost to Judah. Elite fighters bear Judah level opposition convincingly.

Styles make fights. /discussion as you can't argue with an agenda. So what he schooled Chino in 10 rounds.

Elite fighters beat Kotelnik level opposition convincingly.

[-PBP-]

Styles make fights. /discussion as you can't argue with an agenda. So what he schooled Chino in 10 rounds.

Elite fighters beat Kotelnik level opposition convincingly.

Ok. Elite pressure fighters have buried Judah before.

[SalimShady1212]

Ok. Elite pressure fighters have buried Judah before.

K. Elite fighters like Khan and Alexander have beat Kotelnik with ease before

Ironically they've both beaten Chino too.

[-PBP-]

Think about this. When provided the opportunity. Baldomir capitalized and convincingly beat Zab Judah to win a title. Matthysse on the other hand didn't capitalize.

[SalimShady1212]

Think about this. When provided the opportunity. Souleymane M'baye capitalized and convincingly beat Andriy Kotelnik to and then went on to beat Raul Horacio Balbi to win a title. Matthysse on the other hand didn't capitalize doe.

Opportunities come and go, some fighters get better/easier chances like fighting Khabib Kwhothehell but that's just exactly the politics of boxing.

[bojangles1987]

Who is even arguing that Matthysse is elite? You're kind of changing your criteria here, PBP. You don't need to be elite to win a world title. Lucas is clearly good enough to win a world title, as he has beaten other fighters who have won world titles. He didn't win one because he wasn't good enough for the best, but always challenged the best. If he had numerous opportunities at a world title against dead average fighters he would have won one already.

And seriously, let's stop acting like his fight against Judah was a let down or disappointment. He was the nobody foreigner brought in to make a "revitalized" Judah look good. It was the first time Matthysse ever went 12 rounds and a huge jump in competition. Other fighters have done worse making that jump than Matthysse did that night.

If Matthysse had management that was really desperate to put any world title on him, he would have one. Boxing politics did play a role.

[SalimShady1212]

Who is even arguing that Matthysse is elite? You're kind of changing your criteria here, PBP. You don't need to be elite to win a world title. Lucas is clearly good enough to win a world title, as he has beaten other fighters who have won world titles. He didn't win one because he wasn't good enough for the best, but always challenged the best. If he had numerous opportunities at a world title against dead average fighters he would have won one already.

And seriously, let's stop acting like his fight against Judah was a let down or disappointment. He was the nobody foreigner brought in to make a "revitalized" Judah look good. It was the first time Matthysse ever went 12 rounds and a huge jump in competition. Other fighters have done worse making that jump than Matthysse did that night.

If Matthysse had management that was really desperate to put any world title on him, he would have one. Boxing politics did play a role.

Absolutely spot on! Green, Green, Green.

[-PBP-]

Who is even arguing that Matthysse is elite? You're kind of changing your criteria here, PBP. You don't need to be elite to win a world title. Lucas is clearly good enough to win a world title, as he has beaten other fighters who have won world titles. He didn't win one because he wasn't good enough for the best, but always challenged the best. If he had numerous opportunities at a world title against dead average fighters he would have won one already.

And seriously, let's stop acting like his fight against Judah was a let down or disappointment. He was the nobody foreigner brought in to make a "revitalized" Judah look good. It was the first time Matthysse ever went 12 rounds and a huge jump in competition. Other fighters have done worse making that jump than Matthysse did that night.

If Matthysse had management that was really desperate to put any world title on him, he would have one. Boxing politics did play a role.

I did go left. This isn't about him being elite or not. My point is he has had the same opportunities if not more than your typical boxing contender.

The Judah fight was his Broner/Maligbaggi moment. But he didn't get it done. How much more gift wrapped can it get?

Beat Judah to get a shot at Mabuza? That's a Haymon path to greatness like none other.