Matthysse Never Winning a Title is Not Because of Politics......

[BrometheusBob.]

He lost legitimately to Danny Garcia and Postol.

Still, he was robbed against Judah, Alexander and should have been champion when he beat Peterson.

[mlac]

BS thread. everyone know's it clearly is because of politics.

1. Judah was close correct, most people agree he should of won.

2. He was clearly robbed agaisnt Devon. While fighter's like Garcia should have losses agaisnt herrera and Peterson. and get gift decisions.

3. Yes he lost a close decision to Garcia, but why was garcia only deducted one point? please watch the fight and count how many low blows garcia hit him with, it was well over double digits, verging on ridiculous.

guys on here are such nerdlings

HE QUIT DOE, HE'S A BUM DOE

[Tom Cruise]

I did go left. This isn't about him being elite or not. My point is he has had the same opportunities if not more than your typical boxing contender.

The Judah fight was his Broner/Maligbaggi moment. But he didn't get it done. How much more gift wrapped can it get?

Beat Judah to get a shot at Mabuza? That's a Haymon path to greatness like none other.

Broner beat Malignaggi about as convincingly as Matthysse beat Judah tbh.

Both were close but clear imo. The difference was Broner had huge money backing whereas Matthysse was just an opponent.

[bojangles1987]

I did go left. This isn't about him being elite or not. My point is he has had the same opportunities if not more than your typical boxing contender.

The Judah fight was his Broner/Maligbaggi moment. But he didn't get it done. How much more gift wrapped can it get?

Beat Judah to get a shot at Mabuza? That's a Haymon path to greatness like none other.

How in the world is the Judah fight his Malignaggi moment? Broner was the p4p heir that was supposed to kick the crap out of Malignaggi and barely escaped with a win. Matthysse was supposed to lose to Judah and most thought he won. If Broner had been the nobody brought in to make Paulie look good, who knows if he would have even gotten that decision? It's not like he was really any better against Paulie than Matthysse was against Judah.

Let Matthysse fight for a vacant belt against Josesito Lopez in four months like others get to and see if he isn't a world champion.

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How in the world is the Judah fight his Malignaggi moment? Broner was the p4p heir that was supposed to kick the crap out of Malignaggi and barely escaped with a win. Matthysse was supposed to lose to Judah and most thought he won. If Broner had been the nobody brought in to make Paulie look good, who knows if he would have even gotten that decision? It's not like he was really any better against Paulie than Matthysse was against Judah.

Let Matthysse fight for a vacant belt against Josesito Lopez in four months like others get to and see if he isn't a world champion.

It was a gift wrapped title opportunity. How is Matthysse any different from Vanes, Lara, or anybody else?

They've all gotten plenty of opportunities but flop under the bright lights.

[-PBP-]

Broner beat Malignaggi about as convincingly as Matthysse beat Judah tbh.

Both were close but clear imo. The difference was Broner had huge money backing whereas Matthysse was just an opponent.

Both fights were close. But the judging was fair in both cases no matter what Paulie says.

If Matthysse handled Judah the way he handled Peterson, we wouldn't be having this discussion. He blew his chance and that's that.

If you can't get by the gatekeeper, how can you get to the castle?

[The Big Dunn]

It's because he didn't get the job done. He's had numerous opportunities, the backing of multi-million dollar promoters and networks but failed every time the opportunity presented itself:

Opportunity #1: Zab Judah

Judah fought an eliminator against a past prime Zab Judah. This would have been the ideal time to make a statement. A big name, an HBO headline and millions watching. That didn't happen. Zab Judah was able to bank the early rounds and hang on for a close points decision.

The Excuse: Matthysse was robbed that night

The Truth: He wasn't good enough that night. This was a close fight that could of gone either way. Look what elite fighters like Khan and Garcia did to this past prime Judah. Beat him handily and left no question.

Opportunity #2: Danny Garcia

On the undercard of the 2nd biggest PPV audience in boxing history, Matthysse had the chance to become the unified lineal champion. He had what was described as a beatable, flat footed opponent in front of him that has shown vulnerabilities. He was the betting favorite in the fight and had a legion of fans supporting him. He blows it again. Garcia wins a competitive decision.

The Excuse: The phantom punch, the eye, the clinching, the low blows. Starting to see a trend?

The Truth: He just wasn't good enough.

Opportunity #3: Viktor Postol

Matthysse not only gets a chance to win a title, but puts himself in position for a PPV showdown with Manny Pacquiao. He had an unproven yet fundamentally sound fighter in front of him. But once again he was the betting favorite. He loses by stoppage.

The Excuse: the eye and the clinching

The Truth: He just wasn't good enough


Conclusion: Elite fighters would have capitalized on the opportunities Matthysse had throughout the years. But Matthysse isn't in that category. He's a solid contender and has produced excitement. I'll give him that. But stop making excuses for his limitations.


The Peterson Fight: Some would say he was robbed of a title here because of mean old Haymon. Well:

1. It was Matthysse that didn't want to lose his mandatory shot at DSG

2. Peterson should have been stripped of that belt for PEDs.

I look at the Peterson fight as nothing more than an eliminator.

I don't see how anyone could argue with this.

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BS thread. everyone know's it clearly is because of politics.

1. Judah was close correct, most people agree he should of won.

Shouldn't of been that close in the first place. Plenty of fighters would have LOVED to have the chance to beat a name fighter to put themselves in line for a title shot

2. He was clearly robbed agaisnt Devon. While fighter's like Garcia should have losses agaisnt herrera and Peterson. and get gift decisions.

Irrelevant to the topic. Devon was a non-title fight. Garcia earned his title by beating Khan. Peterson earned his title by beating Khan. Should have been stripped for PEDs after the fact, but that's for another topic.

Yes he lost a close decision to Garcia, but why was garcia only deducted one point? please watch the fight and count how many low blows garcia hit him with, it was well over double digits, verging on ridiculous.

Excuses. Just like the one's in the opening post.

[mlac]

Shouldn't of been that close in the first place. Plenty of fighters would have LOVED to have the chance to beat a name fighter to put themselves in line for a title shot



Irrelevant to the topic. Devon was a non-title fight. Garcia earned his title by beating Khan. Peterson earned his title by beating Khan. Should have been stripped for PEDs after the fact, but that's for another topic.



Excuses. Just like the one's in the opening post.

I refuse to converse with such nerdlings with an agenda.

funny how all these guys trolling matthyse are all yag for mayweather.

pathetic.

you should appreciate a fighter that gives more entertainment in a handful of his fights than money may has given in his entire career.

[BuckToothed]

K. Elite fighters like Khan and Alexander have beat Kotelnik with ease before

Ironically they've both beaten Chino too.

Kotelnik was robbed against Alexander.
But Alexander had the easiest time with Maidana than anyone else.