Enough with GGG vs Ward, How about Ward vs Kovalev?

[mike1010011]

Ward being the co-feature on a show that is likely to have over 700k PPV homes/parties will leverage him back into the "on the cusp of stardom" position that he was before the layoffs, at just the time when Golovkin is likely to be faced with a pair of **** fights to follow up the rushed PPV push.

No idea how the money is going to end up being split, but Golovkin going from a US/Canadian PPV fight back to a fight like Golovkin-Heiland on HBO, likely cuts that follow-up payday by 4.

Laugh off my statement if you want; when Cotto and Alvarez line up their immediate rematch, and Andy Lee goes with the Jacobs-Quillin winner, I'd hope you'd have the decency to stand by your words.

You have some pretty flawed logic there. If 700k people see him fight,700k people are going to be bored out of their minds,and never want to see him again. The card will be watched by mostly Mexican and Puerto Ricans,which will expect action and excitement,of which ward brings neither. And the thought that ward being on the undercard will put him into a superstar position doesn't make any sense either. That would be like saying that lomanchenko is one of the biggest superstars now,because 4.4 million people saw him on the may-pac undercard.

[AKAcronym]

Carl Froch was the #2 fighter at 168; to try and pawn him off as some bum that would've been "easy work" perfectly illustrates how far Golovkin fans have gone to try and justify their warped logic for ducking Ward so furiously. lol.

If Ward started calling out light heavyweights, with his camp running about how he'd trounce them all, he better be ready to fight Kovalev.

You quote "easy work" as if it was something I said. If you go back and read what I ****ing said, it would say "easier." Almost everyone agrees that Ward is the more difficult fight, which is why I have the problem of people saying Golovkin has to immediately fight the best at 168 while not allowing to fight anyone else before Ward. Seriously, ****ing read and don't put **** I didn't say and proceed to go off that.

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Whats wrong with Ward GGG at 168 then Ward Kov at 175 , it cant happen the other way around because of the weight .

People are so scared of GGG fighting Ward at 168 its crazy fan protection .

[HeroBando]

Ward being the co-feature on a show that is likely to have over 700k PPV homes/parties will leverage him back into the "on the cusp of stardom" position that he was before the layoffs, at just the time when Golovkin is likely to be faced with a pair of **** fights to follow up the rushed PPV push.

No idea how the money is going to end up being split, but Golovkin going from a US/Canadian PPV fight back to a fight like Golovkin-Heiland on HBO, likely cuts that follow-up payday by 4.

Laugh off my statement if you want; when Cotto and Alvarez line up their immediate rematch, and Andy Lee goes with the Jacobs-Quillin winner, I'd hope you'd have the decency to stand by your words.

Lol. Undercards never put anyone on the cusp of stardom. This ppv will sell like 15% of what Floyd PAC did, and no casual remembers or gives a **** who fought on the undercard.

How fcuking deluded do you have to be to claim that a guy whose best option is an undercard is in a better spot than the guy headlining hbo ppv and selling out msg?

[HeroBando]

Whats wrong with Ward GGG at 168 then Ward Kov at 175 , it cant happen the other way around because of the weight .

People are so scared of GGG fighting Ward at 168 its crazy fan protection .

Nothing wrong, but by the same token Ggg wants Canelo/Cotto before going up to fight Ward. And it makes more sense to go for a fellow champ in your own division, lineal no less and a legit superstar, than to wait for an unproven hypejob to move up

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Nothing wrong, but by the same token Ggg wants Canelo/Cotto before going up to fight Ward. And it makes more sense to go for a fellow champ in your own division, lineal no less and a legit superstar, than to wait for an unproven hypejob to move up

I know what GGG wants to do and he appeared to not be worrying too much about cleaning his division out when he called out Froch , GGG went at Froch real hard so that kinda tells me GGG is burning the candle at both ends , Im just trying to figure out why his fans dont want him to fight Ward at 168 .

Hype jobs always bring money you should know that , Ward GGG is a big fight and it would definitely be a case of somebody wins and the other is told to sit down where you belong .

[HeroBando]

I know what GGG wants to do and he appeared to not be worrying too much about cleaning his division out when he called out Froch , GGG went at Froch real hard so that kinda tells me GGG is burning the candle at both ends , Im just trying to figure out why his fans dont want him to fight Ward at 168 .

Hype jobs always bring money you should know that , Ward GGG is a big fight and it would definitely be a case of somebody wins and the other is told to sit down where you belong .

His profile has grown so much that unifications are now possible, esp now that he's HBO ppv and selling out Msg. At the time Froch was his best option for money and exposure, and a mouthwatering bout to boot. And he probably felt he could handle Froch, Wards best win, without bulking up much since Froch is not much of a grappler

[Scipio2009]

You have some pretty flawed logic there. If 700k people see him fight,700k people are going to be bored out of their minds,and never want to see him again. The card will be watched by mostly Mexican and Puerto Ricans,which will expect action and excitement,of which ward brings neither. And the thought that ward being on the undercard will put him into a superstar position doesn't make any sense either. That would be like saying that lomanchenko is one of the biggest superstars now,because 4.4 million people saw him on the may-pac undercard.

You've obviously never seen Ward fight.

Ward-Paul Smith wasn't a boring fight, Ward-Rodriguez wasn't a boring fight (up until Rodriguez ran out of gas and was simply fighting to not get stopped), and Ward-Froch, though rough on the inside, wasn't a boring fight either. Again, people have spent so much time listening to HBO spin, over actually seeing the fights, that their ideas of what's what have been warped.

700k PPV homes/parties watching Ward systematically crush an opponent (where Ward delivers all of the punishment, while not letting even a stray shot get throug on him), piques the interest even more. You add the sport's world re-hashing his standing as America's last boxing Olympic gold medalist, with the added caveat that neither Cotto or "Canelo" are all that comfortable working the US sports press in English, and Ward gets positioned even better.

Add a February/March return date, hopefully marketed by HBO, and he's off to the races.

Outside of possible Julio Cesar Chavez, there's never been a US superstar boxer who couldn't market the fight in English, and I doubt that that changes.

Vasyl Lomachenko, for all of his boxing talent, is still a 126lb fighter, with all of five fights to his name, light on regular fights due to his promoter, who doesn't interview with a lick of English. Simply being put on a Mayweather stage isn't going to just transfer Mayweather's acclaim to you, just for showing up.

The Mexican/Puerto Rican US PPV audience is unlikely to be over 400k-500k PPV buys, tbh; anything beyond that will come from "American"/casual boxing audience, largely folks who have seen Cotto and Alvarez fight Mayweather and getting drawn into the fight by way of HBO's marketing efforts.

Having America's last Olympic gold medalist, and arguably the sport's top p4p fighter on the bill (with about as marketable a persona as anything that exists in the sport, if they push it) will goose the potential draw from the US/casual boxing audience.

[Scipio2009]

You quote "easy work" as if it was something I said. If you go back and read what I ****ing said, it would say "easier." Almost everyone agrees that Ward is the more difficult fight, which is why I have the problem of people saying Golovkin has to immediately fight the best at 168 while not allowing to fight anyone else before Ward. Seriously, ****ing read and don't put **** I didn't say and proceed to go off that.

Abel Sanchez was the one, running around and talking crazy, yet Golovkin nor anyone else in the camp felt the need to quell him. Was even talking about how Golovkin was wrecking Kovalev in sparring, to the point of embarrassing him.

If you're camp is that out front, you either cut down the nonsense, or you stand by the camp and deal with whatever comes of it. To expect that, as a middleweight, a fighter's camp can talk down three entire weight classes, be happy to go to the full weight to take on two other fighters in the top 10 of said weight, yet turn ***** once the kingpin comes knocking about said open challenge, without any repercussions, is a bit much.

[Scipio2009]

Lol. Undercards never put anyone on the cusp of stardom. This ppv will sell like 15% of what Floyd PAC did, and no casual remembers or gives a **** who fought on the undercard.

How fcuking deluded do you have to be to claim that a guy whose best option is an undercard is in a better spot than the guy headlining hbo ppv and selling out msg?

Danny Garcia vs Lucas Matthysse, as the co-feature to Mayweather-Alvarez, brought both guys to the cusp of stardom; Danny Garcia being held back a bit after the shaky Herrera performance (and hanging at 140 for too long, tbh), with Lucas Matthysse having a bit longer path as he rebuilt from the defeat.

Both guys went from co-featuring on Mayweather's PPV, to headlining their on shows (with sizable budgets being put behind them). You likely wouldn't be hearing Danny Garcia's name coming up in general sports conversation, were it not for the Mayweather co-feature (and his continued winning, once people, beyond the core boxing audience, got a chance to really see him fight).

The price for the Cotto-Alvarez PPV has yet to be disclosed, but Ward's fight is likely going to be seen by more than twice the number of folks who see Golovkin's fight, at a likely higher price point.

A quick check of Ticketmaster shows that you can still buy a row of 10 tickets for Golovkin-Lemeiux (so it's likely to be a near sellout); even with that, the show that Ward is co-feature on will likely end up doing 3-4 times Golovkin's business at the gate.

Golovkin's got near all of an orange; Ward is getting a piece of a watermelon. Ward wins, lol