Andre ward 3 fight HBO deal moving to light heavy

[Barcham]

I doubt it.

In all seriousness, GGG is playing the risk/reward game right now.

He knows he can beat Froch, Chavez, Cotto, Canelo, Lemieux...

He isnt sure he can beat Ward.

So if anything, he would still do what he is doing now, which is to take the easier challenges first.

Ward has nothing to offer. He is not a big draw so there is no financial reward. He is not a middleweight title holder so fighting him does not advance Golovkin's primary goal, that Ward fans love to ignore, of unifying all the MW titles. Golovkin also has a number of very good prospective fights upcoming over the next year.

When he was in contract talks with Chavez Jr. and discussions with Froch, there seemed to be little on the horizon in the MW division. At that time, taking a fight at SMW for a major financial boost was an excellent idea. Now he has the unification fight with Lemieux, and further unification fights against Lee and the winner of Cotto - Canelo on the horizon which are much more profitable than a fight against Ward would be and they will enable him to achieve his goal of unification.

There is nothing that a Ward fight offers to come close to becoming the undisputed, unified, Middleweight Champion of the World. Beating him does not get GGG a title. It does not advance his goals. It gives him less money than any unification fight. It is totally pointless at this point in time and now that it seems that Ward is going to LHW, a total waste of time to discuss.

[b00g13man]

Ward has nothing to offer. He is not a big draw so there is no financial reward. He is not a middleweight title holder so fighting him does not advance Golovkin's primary goal, that Ward fans love to ignore, of unifying all the MW titles. Golovkin also has a number of very good prospective fights upcoming over the next year.

When he was in contract talks with Chavez Jr. and discussions with Froch, there seemed to be little on the horizon in the MW division. At that time, taking a fight at SMW for a major financial boost was an excellent idea. Now he has the unification fight with Lemieux, and further unification fights against Lee and the winner of Cotto - Canelo on the horizon which are much more profitable than a fight against Ward would be and they will enable him to achieve his goal of unification.

There is nothing that a Ward fight offers to come close to becoming the undisputed, unified, Middleweight Champion of the World. Beating him does not get GGG a title. It does not advance his goals. It gives him less money than any unification fight. It is totally pointless at this point in time and now that it seems that Ward is going to LHW, a total waste of time to discuss.

There's only the small matter of a win over Ward making him the p4p king. I guess that's not important.

[bojangles1987]

Ward has nothing to offer. He is not a big draw so there is no financial reward. He is not a middleweight title holder so fighting him does not advance Golovkin's primary goal, that Ward fans love to ignore, of unifying all the MW titles. Golovkin also has a number of very good prospective fights upcoming over the next year.

When he was in contract talks with Chavez Jr. and discussions with Froch, there seemed to be little on the horizon in the MW division. At that time, taking a fight at SMW for a major financial boost was an excellent idea. Now he has the unification fight with Lemieux, and further unification fights against Lee and the winner of Cotto - Canelo on the horizon which are much more profitable than a fight against Ward would be and they will enable him to achieve his goal of unification.

There is nothing that a Ward fight offers to come close to becoming the undisputed, unified, Middleweight Champion of the World. Beating him does not get GGG a title. It does not advance his goals. It gives him less money than any unification fight. It is totally pointless at this point in time and now that it seems that Ward is going to LHW, a total waste of time to discuss.

Lee, Cotto, and Alvarez are no more "on the horizon" than they were when Golovkin was begging for the Froch fight and his entire fanbase was calling Carl Froch, one of the few fighters in the sport who has done everything you could ask of him, a coward. Finances and risk/reward and all that crap didn't matter to the Golovkin fanbase.

Now Andre Ward, an opponent who gets Golovkin his biggest payday, a big PPV, and immediate recognition as the best fighter on the planet, is being dismissed and Golovkin's fanbase is using every excuse they called Froch and his team a coward for using. Froch hadn't fought in over a year and was just as inactive as Ward, but his inactivity didn't matter. The fact that Golovkin offered little to Froch didn't matter. Neither did unifying the division.

Bunch of ****ing hypocrites.

[Eastcoast]

Lee, Cotto, and Alvarez are no more "on the horizon" than they were when Golovkin was begging for the Froch fight and his entire fanbase was calling Carl Froch, one of the few fighters in the sport who has done everything you could ask of him, a coward. Finances and risk/reward and all that crap didn't matter to the Golovkin fanbase.

Now Andre Ward, an opponent who gets Golovkin his biggest payday, a big PPV, and immediate recognition as the best fighter on the planet, is being dismissed and Golovkin's fanbase is using every excuse they called Froch and his team a coward for using. Froch hadn't fought in over a year and was just as inactive as Ward, but his inactivity didn't matter. Neither did unifying the division.

Bunch of ****ing hypocrites.

I agree with this completely. But we both know it's not going to happen until Ward brings up his market value again.

He's made himself a tough-sell for the networks and even marginal competition with his tough yet boring style and insistence to overprice himself. His style is dependent on fighting a high-level action fighter to sell well. He chose to fight Paul Smith and now tried to fight Zac Dunn and fails to understand nobody cares. And what's the point of a tune-up fight if your going to sit out of the ring another 6 months?

How are fans hypocrites for wanting a Froch fight when they know it'll be a high level action fight, where as a Ward fight runs the risk of a being a John Ruiz clinch fest.

[HeroBando]

Lee, Cotto, and Alvarez are no more "on the horizon" than they were when Golovkin was begging for the Froch fight and his entire fanbase was calling Carl Froch, one of the few fighters in the sport who has done everything you could ask of him, a coward. Finances and risk/reward and all that crap didn't matter to the Golovkin fanbase.

Now Andre Ward, an opponent who gets Golovkin his biggest payday, a big PPV, and immediate recognition as the best fighter on the planet, is being dismissed and Golovkin's fanbase is using every excuse they called Froch and his team a coward for using. Froch hadn't fought in over a year and was just as inactive as Ward, but his inactivity didn't matter. The fact that Golovkin offered little to Froch didn't matter. Neither did unifying the division.

Bunch of ****ing hypocrites.

Sure they are. He's the mando to the winner of Canelo/Cotto, took one stepaside already. They approached Froch when the Chavez fight fell through last summer, as Froch was coming off his most glorious win, so forget about inactivity.

HBO wasn't gonna make GGG Ward both guys first PPV, it's a recipe for disaster. Casuals are turned off by clinchfests, they want action and the unification with Lemieux fits the bill.

Don't worry about GGG, he's finally doing great business and nearing his goals in his division. Worry about Ward, who's got nothing going. How's he gonna boost his career if freaking Yunieski Gonzalez is too much risk for p4p #2?

[elfag]

Him cleaning out the division is a myth. Not all the top guys were in the Super 6.

bute is ****ing garbage and that has been proven already the very first time he fought someone above C level

[bojangles1987]

Oh give it a rest you Ward white knight, Froch was deserving of the crap he got because he'd continiously bring up Golovkins name in the media while leading fans on to thinking he'd fight him.

Too big, too strong, remember?

And Golovkin and his team brought up Ward's name constantly until Ward talked back. Exact same situation.

This isn't even about Ward. I've hated on Ward as hard as anyone while he acted like an entitled idiot the past few couple years. This is about the Golovkin fanbase on NSB being massive hypocrites who **** their pants at the thought of Golovkin fighting Andre Ward. It's about the Golovkin and his team making every excuse that other fighters made not to fight him, yet his fans don't call him out on his bull****. It's about trying to use Sergey Kovalev as a big brother to go beat up the kid who Golovkin was talking **** about. But then Golovkin fans have no problem accusing everyone else of ducking, though.

Apparently the Golovkin fanbase shares the same fear that Golovkin's trainer and promotion do towards Andre Ward. I can't believe how hard they all work to pretend Andre Ward is some unproven nobody who offers Golovkin nothing. You all care more about Golovkin maintaining the illusion of invincibility than actually proving it.

[bojangles1987]

I agree with this completely. But we both know it's not going to happen until Ward brings up his market value again.

He's made himself a tough-sell for the networks and even marginal competition with his tough yet boring style and insistence to overprice himself. His style is dependent on fighting a high-level action fighter to sell well. He chose to fight Paul Smith and now tried to fight Zac Dunn and fails to understand nobody cares. And what's the point of a tune-up fight if your going to sit out of the ring another 6 months?

How are fans hypocrites for wanting a Froch fight when they know it'll be a high level action fight, where as a Ward fight runs the risk of a being a John Ruiz clinch fest.

Golovkin fans are hypocrites because they spent 3 years saying everyone is ducking Golovkin, accusing a HOFer who had the absolute gold standard of a run of tough fights of ducking, and yet when Golovkin's people start making the same excuses not to fight Ward that Froch did not to fight Golovkin, those fans eat it up. Suddenly financial risk and PPV sales matter.

Golovkin's fans sound like Fl0mos lately. Maybe even worse.

[bojangles1987]

Sure they are. He's the mando to the winner of Canelo/Cotto, took one stepaside already. They approached Froch when the Chavez fight fell through last summer, as Froch was coming off his most glorious win, so forget about inactivity.

HBO wasn't gonna make GGG Ward both guys first PPV, it's a recipe for disaster. Casuals are turned off by clinchfests, they want action and the unification with Lemieux fits the bill.

Don't worry about GGG, he's finally doing great business and nearing his goals in his division. Worry about Ward, who's got nothing going. How's he gonna boost his career if freaking Yunieski Gonzalez is too much risk for p4p #2?

They were begging for a Froch fight this year.

Ward hasn't been in a clinchfest in 5 or 6 years. That excuse doesn't fly anymore. And again, no one cared about this **** when Golovkin was the one chasing fights. Risk and reward didn't matter until he was the one making those excuses.

[T18Z]

And Golovkin and his team brought up Ward's name constantly until Ward talked back. Exact same situation.

This isn't even about Ward. I've hated on Ward as hard as anyone while he acted like an entitled idiot the past few couple years. This is about the Golovkin fanbase on NSB being massive hypocrites who **** their pants at the thought of Golovkin fighting Andre Ward. It's about the Golovkin and his team making every excuse that other fighters made not to fight him, yet his fans don't call him out on his bull****. It's about trying to use Sergey Kovalev as a big brother to go beat up the kid who Golovkin was talking **** about. But then Golovkin fans have no problem accusing everyone else of ducking, though.

Apparently the Golovkin fanbase shares the same fear that Golovkin's trainer and promotion do towards Andre Ward. I can't believe how hard they all work to pretend Andre Ward is some unproven nobody who offers Golovkin nothing. You all care more about Golovkin maintaining the illusion of invincibility than actually proving it.

Let it all out - you don't like Abel, you've made it very clear, but let's not act like the scenario with Froch and Ward are the same, because they aren't, but you'll push what you need to. Since when did Abel or Leoffler say Ward is unproven? Find me something. Furthermore I haven't seen you trash Ward for any of his recent horrible decisions, but maybe I'm just not paying attention to your posts hard enough.

Ward has a long history of demanding everything goes his own way throughout his career. I personally wouldn't want to deal with such a person either, or at the very least if I'm the obvious A-side (I don't care what you say, Golovkin is to anyone with a brain) I'd want him to acknowledge and commit to some demands, either in weight, pay-cut or both.