Max Kellerman on ESPN on Mayweather ABNORMALLY LOW T/E Ratio plus USADA vs. VADA

[The Big Dunn]

I just looked up testosterone levels by race, never knew there was a difference. What the *** is up with Asians?

yeah, I didn't know this either.

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

There's an even larger difference in estrogen levels between races ( http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17456570 ) too so just taking a snapshot of testosterone levels doesn't really tell the whole story. Everyone has a delicate balance that governs particular behaviors and tempers.

Not OK to talk about in America of course where we still can't discuss biological science without someone getting angry. Maybe 100 years from now.

testosterone concentrations were not different between non-Hispanic blacks (n = 363; geometric mean, 5.29 ng/ml) and non-Hispanic whites (n = 674; 5.11 ng/ml; P > 0.05) but were higher in Mexican-Americans

Hahaha, this explains a lot.

True story, I went to get my T levels checked about a year ago, and the Dr asked me if I was taking something.

I'm 40 and had a T level of 900+.

[The Big Dunn]

If the fight is canceled as a result of a dirty drug test then yes. Sue him/his promotional company.

Sounds easy when you post it. Doesn't make sense. I guess you could sue the promoter.

No one, not the promoters, networks, hotels, etc involved with the fight wants it to be cancelled over PED positive test. VADA threatens this.

[Deevel916]

Sounds easy when you post it. Doesn't make sense. I guess you could sue the promoter.

No one, not the promoters, networks, hotels, etc involved with the fight wants it to be cancelled over PED positive test. VADA threatens this.

So are you no longer interested in catching dirty fighters?

[sanluisjerzy]

While this thread reaches further down the rabbit hole, This American Life has a fascinating podcast episode about testosterone that I highly recommend:

http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/220/testosterone

[The Big Dunn]

So are you no longer interested in catching dirty fighters?

dude, stop the bait and switch BS. you asked why Haymon doesn't work with VADA, I gave you an answer and then pointed out that a number of other promotional/managing en****** in boxing have also moved away from VADA.

I am all for catching dirty fighters.

[PAC-BOY]

OJ Simpson got found NOT GUILTY and the reputation still followed him. Same with Floyd. He has been exposed. Hes a cheat and will always be remembered as a ***ing cheat.

[-PBP-]

dude, stop the bait and switch BS. you asked why Haymon doesn't work with VADA, I gave you an answer and then pointed out that a number of other promotional/managing en****** in boxing have also moved away from VADA.

I am all for catching dirty fighters.

The problem is that there is no solution that will satisfy all parties involved. Olympic style testing is not cost-effective when you have guys making $30,000 per fight.

It's not as simple as sue this guy or sue that guy because the legal process takes months and sometimes years to play out. Nobody wants to be in court when you can avoid it.

[Bermuda]

Wow wow wow whoa whoa whoa! This is not looking good for Floyd . I think he should be honest with his fans and himself. If I were him I would cancel the fight with Berto, book an interview right away with someone like Katie Couric, and confess everything on national TV. I would explain everything and apologize to everyone for cheating (cheating the sport and the fans). Soon afterwards I would announce my retirement from the sport. This would be the best course of action for Floyd at this point.



- Bermuda

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

OJ Simpson got found NOT GUILTY and the reputation still followed him. Same with Floyd. He has been exposed. Hes a cheat and will always be remembered as a ***ing cheat.

Won't happen. I don't care about Pac or Floyd like you metrosexuals do, but I will say that with Floyd it's more about his cherry picking that will affect him.

I have to honestly say Pac is going to be remembered more for PED use than Floyd because of the blatant dodging of tests.