Max Kellerman on ESPN on Mayweather ABNORMALLY LOW T/E Ratio plus USADA vs. VADA

[pasawayako]

I bet Floyd Sr next little rhyme is.....

"My son hugged My son clinched

He cried to the ref when he was in a pinch.

He used the ring and was good on his feet,

and in the end, He was nothing but a cheat!!! "

[pasawayako]

Earlier today on ESPN Radio Max and Marcellus

http://espn.go.com/espnradio/losange...ay?id=13627009

Max talks about Floyd's Testosterone/Epitestosterone ratio.

Avg white man 1.2 to 1 T/E.

Avg. black man 1.3 to 1 T/E.

WADA allows athletes to have T/E ratio as high as 4.0 to 1.

Floyd's T/E in previous tests was 0.69 to 1 and 0.8 to 1.

Low ratio of T/E is a red flag for PED use because it indicates "MASKING" to hide/lower high testosterone levels.

What do u think of floyd testosterone/epitestosterone ratio in his last fight.

[!! Shawn]

That test is to determine the ratio and yes it does quantify...

That is not a cir test my friend.

That test can detect hormones, not if they are natural or synthetic. That one quantifies the amount in the system, and is easily fooled.

Which is why the cir test is better. It can tell if there is artificial testosterone present.

[Jc8804]

Get the FBi involved .. federal investigation on this cheater.

[!! Shawn]

Oh really? Cool, link please, that'd be some interesting reading. Can't seem to find it on my own and I've been searching a while.

He always wears his Floyd goggles when he posts.

[GTTofAK]

I finally heard a portion of Kellerman. I'll use this example of Jon Jones...his levels are lower than Floyds, yet the CIR showed he was clean.....so what does that mean?

It means his testosterone was synthesized from cholesterol rather than phytosterols from soy. One thing a lot of people are missing including those demanding VADA testing is that the CIR test is easily beaten. Testosterone can be synthesized from cholesterol just as the body does. It simply costs more. Most prescription testosterone is synthesized from phytosterols because its cheaper. There is no need to use the more expensive processes of synthesizing from cholesterol. However, if you are rich athlete it pays to pay the premium for cholesterol based testosterone because it is undetectable with CIR.

[GTTofAK]

So the CIR is not as important as Max is stressing then? Because Jones levels were crazy low and if he uses what you stated above he could still pass a CIR.

No its not. It simply catches most prescription testosterone which is synthesized form soy phytosterol. If you are paying a chemist someone to synthesize it for you like oh I dont know Memo Heredia they can synthesize it from cholesterol which will not be detected by the CIR test.

All the CIR test is looking for is if the testosterone was synthesized form phytosterol or cholesterol.

[GTTofAK]

It seems boxing/fighting long term wrecks you T levels whether you have juiced or not...It's probably a combination of constant stress (training, fighting, being in the public spotlight 24/7) and damage taken to the head (Testosterone is produced in the adrenal cortex) and getting punched in the head for years and years can't help....Getting KO'ed probably hurts your hormonal production aswell....

Most Boxers/MMA fighters probably have above average natural testosterone levels originally (it's the drive that makes them want to beat up and compete with other man in combat), but after years and years of constant stress and damage to the body their T levels are constantly suppressed and eventually go down a huge amount....Stress destroys your T levels...

Same is probably true of NFL players....

The human body is not designed to fight continuously for years and years like boxers/mma fighters do...

Floyds testosterone was on the high end of normal in the bloodwork given in the report. The only thing we can tell from his bloodwork was that this epitestosterone was very high. This cant be easily explained it should be around 1.3-1.

I'd very much like to see his bloodwork from the post IV test. Since we know that the got 500ml of saline just before the test we should be able get a very good approximation of his real free testosterone levels when we account for the thinning of the blood. Dollars to donuts he is over the limit.

lI don't think these "Low testosterone" tests found on 30+ year old fighters prove that a fighter was juicing

Again Floyd did not have low testosterone. His free testosterone was on the high end of normal. Floyd had abnormally high levels of epitestosterone which indicates the use of epitestosterone to mask the taking of artificial testosterone. And you are right an athlete of Floyd's age should be seeing lower levels of testosterone which is why his high end of normal testosterone is very su****ious.

[Heavyfist]

Floyd is such a fugging cheat, its so obvious. A great model for Africans.

[TheStranger]

There's no more evidence that Mayweather was using PEDs there is for Pac.

That's never stopped fans from jumping to conclusions before. Those people I would definitely not want on my jury BTW.