Comments Thread For: Team GGG: Ward Not The A-Side, Can't Dictate Terms

[aboutfkntime]

Why is Ward so far ahead? Bradley has belts in 2 divisions, including unifying 140. His best scalp is JMM (if you exclude the Pac robbery), which is better than Froch. His resume is just as deep, given that Wards 3rd best win is AA or Bika or some other mediocre SMW

Marquez is not a welter..... just as Dawson was not a SMW.

Why cant you keep it real ?

When Ward beat Froch, Carl was a genuine SMW who was on top of his game..... when Bradley beat Marquez, JMM was old, was campaigning out of his weight-class, and had obviously started to slip.

Ward completely dominated Froch in his prime.

Knocking pac the fcuk out, did not make Marquez a welter.

[Scipio2009]

they are are absolutely right.golovkin has now surpassed ward in terms popularity and marketability.lets compare the last fight's tv ratings for both guys golovkin drew well over a million viewers against an unknown fighter.ward drew a hilariously bad 300k viewers on bet LOL.golovkin's up coming fight has already sold out and will be on ppv.ward better get on his hands and knees to beg for a fight with golovkin.

350k viewers was the average total for the entire 2-hour show (undercard fight, Nipsey Hussle performance, and dead time from early stoppage of fight), BET's inaugural fight broadcast for ****s sake.

It's sad to see supposed knowledgeable people openly try and lie about stuff to protect a fighter's camp who "wrote a check their fighter can't cash".

Team Golovkin is too much of *****es to fight Andre Ward (nevermind how ready they were to fight a 190lb Chavez Jr) or an Erislandy Lara ready to take the fight at 160 (Lara hadn't done anything to merit the shot, yet Willie Monroe Jr did? tf?)

Golovkin's fight didn't sell out; they've reportedly sold over 15k tickets to a 17.5k arena set up, in the very same building that Miguel Cotto was able to put nearly 24k people into. gtfoh

[mathed]

Marquez is not a welter..... just as Dawson was not a SMW.

Why cant you keep it real ?

When Ward beat Froch, Carl was a genuine SMW who was on top of his game..... when Bradley beat Marquez, JMM was old, was campaigning out of his weight-class, and had obviously started to slip.

Ward completely dominated Froch in his prime.

Knocking pac the fcuk out, did not make Marquez a welter.

So how do you feel about Floyd's win over JMM?

[SugarRaRobinson]

Ya'll must have forgot - it was during Ward's litigation with Goosen that he said he was still clear to take fights and had his attorney sent HBO the email to be read after Golovkin/Rubio - He’ll fight him anywhere, anyplace, and anytime.

Andre Ward is the guy who rejected fights with an undefeated Lucian Bute and newly crowned Adonis Stevenson and instead signed to fight a clearly shot Kelly Pavlik.

Ward said that he'll fight him anywhere , anytime as an incentive to get the boxing world to put pressure on Goosen to release his grip of Ward . Some say Goosen wouldn't let him fight and kept him shelved , others say he wouldn't take another fight under Goosens banner . Either way he live up to his anywhere , anytime slogan once he was under Roc Nation. As far as Ward not fighting Bute ; I really don't know what his reason was . Maybe it was because he just finished the tournament and wanted a "can" for a change after fighting so many world champions in a row . Everyone deserves a "can" every now and again , sh.t , GGG fights about 15 cans in a row before he goes anywhere near true world champions !

[Scipio2009]

Well that's on Ward as well.. dude goes 2 years without fighting and its like seriously? He has dum some questionable stuff as well.. definitely not totally defending Ward here.. dude always wants to fight in Oakland like hes such a big draw.

Ward has done more money, fighting out of Oracle Arena in Oakland, than Golovkin has likely done for any venue he's ever fought out of (no idea what the Monaco money turns out to be, but Ward has three fights where he's done over $700k at the gate (Ward-Kessler, Ward-Dawson, Ward-Smith), with the possible exception of maybe this upcoming Golovkin-Lemieux fight.

lol

[Scipio2009]

Yes & no. The fact that GGG is scheduled to headline a PPV & Ward has never even been scheduled to headline a PPV has some meaning already imo. Thats why I said Loeffler is more right than wrong with his remark right now even if I can understand the prematureness remark you bring up.

But yea once GGG officially has some PPV numbers to point to & Ward only has his impressive resume from several years ago the importance of each fighter to the current marketplace will be clear.

Only reason Golovkin-Lemieux is being put on PPV, according to other articles on this sis, is because HBO didn't have the money left in their budget to put the fight on air, leaving PPV as the only option to make the numbers work.

Golovkin-Lemieux is basically on PPV for the same reason why Mosley-Mayorga is being put on PPV, if we're being honest.

If Ward ends up in the co-feature spot, on a Cotto-Canelo card that should sell 750k PPV buys, I think Ward has as good a claim to near stardom than Golovkin would, even if his card ends up selling the 300k that knowledgeable people are pointing to as the ceiling for Golovkin-Lemieux (in my mind, the situation would parallel Garcia-Matthyesse being the co-feature to the 2.2m PPV homes that bought Mayweather-Alvarez, which subsequently launched both fighter's profiles [Garcia doing a $1m gate for Garcia-Peterson at Barclays wouldn't have happened this quick without that Mayweather exposure])

[aboutfkntime]

So how do you feel about Floyd's win over JMM?

He dragged him up from lightweight.

That was a blatant cherry-pick.

The fact that fight was fought at catchweight confirms it.

1) Mayweather was just coming out of retirement
2) Mayweather/Pacquiao talk was reaching feverish hype
3) Marquez was a name opponent
4) Marquez just so happened to be Pacquiao's arch-nemesis
5) Floyd announced that fight on the day of Pacquiao/Hatton

Pretty obvious whats up there.

That is one of two Mayweather cherry-picks.

Mayweather generally fights a top opponent coming off a defining win.

[aboutfkntime]

Ward has done more money, fighting out of Oracle Arena in Oakland, than Golovkin has likely done for any venue he's ever fought out of (no idea what the Monaco money turns out to be, but Ward has three fights where he's done over $700k at the gate (Ward-Kessler, Ward-Dawson, Ward-Smith), with the possible exception of maybe this upcoming Golovkin-Lemieux fight.

lol

Talking that A-side/B-side stuff in regards to Ward/Golovkin is absurd.

Neither are stars, so the difference is inconsequential.

The only reason why you would mention that A-side rubbish in relation to Ward/Golovkin..... would be to make excuses.

The difference between Golovkin/Ward could not possibly be big enough to kill the negotiation.

Also Ward>Golovkin in every department that matters.

[Scipio2009]

Carl Froch is a bigger name than both but GGG is second to Froch in terms of fan base, nobody cares about Ward, Ward is the same guy who chickened out of facing Carl Froch in England...
Yet they want to talk about GGG "ducking" absolutely pathetic excuses of boxing fans.

...Ward had no problem fighting Froch in England; Ward adamantly refused to give Carl Froch the rematch in his hometown of Nottingham. Ward's "hometown" fight with Froch was held 3k miles away from Oakland in Atlantic City, NJ.

If Ward-Froch 2 wasn't a big enough fight to capture the imagination of the UK fans for the 80k-seat Wembley Stadium, the fight could've easily been held at the 20k-seat O2 Arena in London or the 22k-seat MEN Arena in Manchester (Froch's Nottingham venue, City Ground, was only likely to put 35k seats into the stadium).

No need to blatantly lie

[aboutfkntime]

Only reason Golovkin-Lemieux is being put on PPV, according to other articles on this sis, is because HBO didn't have the money left in their budget to put the fight on air, leaving PPV as the only option to make the numbers work.

Golovkin-Lemieux is basically on PPV for the same reason why Mosley-Mayorga is being put on PPV, if we're being honest.

If Ward ends up in the co-feature spot, on a Cotto-Canelo card that should sell 750k PPV buys, I think Ward has as good a claim to near stardom than Golovkin would, even if his card ends up selling the 300k that knowledgeable people are pointing to as the ceiling for Golovkin-Lemieux (in my mind, the situation would parallel Garcia-Matthyesse being the co-feature to the 2.2m PPV homes that bought Mayweather-Alvarez, which subsequently launched both fighter's profiles [Garcia doing a $1m gate for Garcia-Peterson at Barclays wouldn't have happened this quick without that Mayweather exposure])

Fcuk, great post !

Yep, I really dont think there is too much difference between Golovkin and Ward..... not enough to be an impediment anyway.

It is funny..... fans will likely argue about that shht for much longer than the actual teams who are negotiating the fight