Comments Thread For: Golovkin's Coach: Canelo is Bigger For Us Than Cotto

[Bigg Rigg]

cotto and ggg are both champs in the same division. ggg and ward are champs in different division. its not the same thing. when ggg and ward are both 168 champs and ggg asks for a catchweight then i would agree with you.

This would have been super valid and I would just eat it and shut my mouth IF GGG hadn't been willing to go to the full 168 for Chavez and Froch but Ward gets hit with the 164 pound catch weight. That's a b1tch move. And I'm just saying, u can't cry about other ppls b1tch moves when u doing one yourself.

[kafkod]

That is what I think but if the WBC sanctions and approves it, it can be for a belt unfortunately.

Didn't the WBC say Geale could weigh more than 157 and still win the title?
It would be up to Cotto's team then to call off the fight if Geale didn't meet the contract stipulations.

The official weight limit for any MW title fight is 160lbs, so yeah, Geale could have weighed in over 157lbs and still won the title, if Cotto had gone ahead and fought him.

A CW for a title fight is a private arrangement between the two camps, which they must both agree to. If anybody breaks that agreement, provided they do not weigh in over 160, that would be for the two camps to sort out, and not the WBC's problem.

The WBC have confirmed that the winner of Cotto/Canelo must defend the title against GGG at 160, or be stripped, unless GGG himself agrees to a CW.

[Beater_of_ass]

back to the real world, you know, and i know why they want canelo more than cotto: this fight can actually happen.

cotto? it can, as long as team golovkin agrees to king's terms: 154.1 cw, pink ring, cotto walks into the ring first, golovkin has to learn perfect english and semi advance spanish, golovkin promises not to hit the a side too hard etc etc

Canelo has fought in the MW division 4 times.
Canelo has yet to fight a MW.

Cotto beat the MW champion.
Cotto beat a former 2 time MW champion as well.

You must be confusing who the diva is.

[KnickTillDeaTh]

That's bull****. CWs for fights between boxers in different weight divisions are an accepted part of the sport and always have been. But a champion asking for a CW from his mandatory challenger is unheard of, and should never happen.

Only to a few fringe fans, most people just want to see a good scrap, and if that means one fighter has to shed a few pounds to make the fight happen, then most people are all for it. You are in the minority, even professionals don't really care. But hey if it makes you feel better keep bichen, while the rest of us enjoy the match ups catch weight or not, belt or not.

[KnickTillDeaTh]

ok so that's a no to the nuance question

Actually yes, because nuance describes little differences in the same exact thing, it doesn't change the thing. So your admittance that the differences are nuanced is an admission that the circumstances are not actually different. Since that's not what you were going for, i'll chalk it up to wrong choice of words on your behalf.

[kafkod]

GGG said anybody from 154-168. Ward came knocking a while ago and they said no. GGG had done everything right after that until the Chavez and Froch ****. He has un finished business at 160 while Ward is done at 168. He's basically just waiting for Golovkin like a fool. He needs to move up more than Golovkin does. The **** is, he killed himself asking for the 164 pound cw only for Ward. It's hard for ppl to see that then hear u cry about another guy doing the same thing to u. I felt bad for Cotto for having to fight Manny at 145 but then he did it himself so now I have to keep u mouth shut on cw bull****.

He can stick around but his team and fan boys need to stop crying already.



That's my point and Idc about anything else.

He ****ed up by saying he was willing to move up for Froch and bum ass Chavez but then when Ward came knocking, he hit him with that 164 pound cw. And now I'm suppose to sit here and hear GGG complain about a possible cw from Cotto should he win?? Nah, that's bull****. At this point, GGG and his team is becoming annoying like Khan.

Bro I'm agreeing that everyone is pulling "b1tch" "diva" moves at this point. GGG fan boys won't admit it though and cry about other fighters doing the same **** he's doing.

This would have been super valid and I would just eat it and shut my mouth IF GGG hadn't been willing to go to the full 168 for Chavez and Froch but Ward gets hit with the 164 pound catch weight. That's a b1tch move. And I'm just saying, u can't cry about other ppls b1tch moves when u doing one yourself.

Nobody is crying about anything but you.

GGG fans have no need to cry about a CW for Cotto or Canelo, because there won't be one unless GGG agrees to it, and if either of them refuse to fight him at 160 they will be stripped of the title.

Froch and Chavez Jr were not chasing GGG for a fight, he was chasing them, and you don't ask for a CW if you are the one chasing the fight.

Ward though, was chasing GGG, or pretending to chase him for the publicity, so GGG had every right to ask for a CW there. Andre said no deal, and that was that.

Now please, stop whining about it and give us a break from all this "he said, she said" bull****.

[kafkod]

Only to a few fringe fans, most people just want to see a good scrap, and if that means one fighter has to shed a few pounds to make the fight happen, then most people are all for it. You are in the minority, even professionals don't really care. But hey if it makes you feel better keep bichen, while the rest of us enjoy the match ups catch weight or not, belt or not.

I wasn't bitching - you were.

There won't be a CW for GGG vs the winner of Cotto/Canelo, unless GGG agrees to it, because it will be a mandatory defence in the MW division, upper weight limit 160lbs. End of.

[i'm a fun haver]

GGG struggles to make 160. he's doing it for the big payday against the smaller fighters. where in my post did i say that cotto and alvarez are to small for each other?

lol. You are one dumb bastard

[KnickTillDeaTh]

I wasn't bitching - you were.

There won't be a CW for GGG vs the winner of Cotto/Canelo, unless GGG agrees to it, because it will be a mandatory defence in the MW division, upper weight limit 160lbs. End of.

Nah, just pointing out the hypocrisy, and the bias. I don't bich because im not emotionally invested, I prefer reality unlike most here. And as I said in my post earlier catch weights don't really matter, there all the same no matter the circumstance, and fighters don't have to agree to them.

[HeroBando]

Nah, just pointing out the hypocrisy, and the bias. I don't bich because im not emotionally invested, I prefer reality unlike most here. And as I said in my post earlier catch weights don't really matter, there all the same no matter the circumstance, and fighters don't have to agree to them.

They're not all the same. You see them a lot when a guy is coming up in weight, makes sense. A champ demanding a CW against a divisional rival, that's super rare and cheapens his belt. And here we have Cotto saying all his MW title defenses will be at a CW, unprecedented. He should have dropped that belt long ago.