Comments Thread For: Mayweather Causes Stir With Ali Ranking, Comments

[boxinghead530]

well, some ppl still debate the 2nd and 3rd Norton fights, and also vs doug jones, shavers, and jimmy young. . you can debate all of these bouts, but he's still the greatest right.. ali is allowed to win close fights, but floyd in a close fight? that's blasphemy, if the fight is too close, he automatically lost..crazy expectations don't you think.

Ali fights with Doug jones, shavers and jimmy young were good close bouts. You can debate them all you want but he still did enough to pull out the win. Floyd had questionable wins against Maidana 1 and Castillo, but still won.

The differents between the two is that Ali fought in an era of the heavyweight division where it's considered the best competition of all time. If Ali had just blown through every fighter he had fought he'd be considered the consensus number 1 fight of all time. You read any reputable Atg list of fighters and Ali is never number 1. The highest is maybe 3 and 5. Which is where he belongs because of the era and level of competition he competed in.

In Floyds era it's not even close to being the best era of all time. The level of opposition isn't the same as in years past. And the number of champions make being a champion watered down. It's just that's the issue Floyd has when people rank him. Considering the level of competition and when he fought the top guys hurts Floyds. So IMO 20th of all time for Floyd is very good considering all things.

[aboutfkntime]

I hate to break it to you guys.....

but Mayweathers historical standing will increase with time.

He will be rated higher than he is now.

[damian War]

He lost to prime Frazier coming off of a 3 year exile and no longer being in his prime. Went on the beat Frazier twice. Ali went through possibly the 2 toughest eras in HW history. Once while in his prime and the next past his prime and still managed to hold the title.

You bringing up the Spinks fight just doesn't make sense. Ali had signs of the early onset of Parkinson's by that point.

excuses, excuses ...

[boxinghead530]

I hate to break it to you guys.....

but Mayweathers historical standing will increase with time.

He will be rated higher than he is now.

Sorry but I have to disagree.

His resume doesn't allow him being ranked higher then he is now which is around 20th. And time won't change anything.

If you are going off of the, "well when Ali fought he was hated too and now he is loved" theory. Just stop it now.

Ali was hated by people for the stand he took and the organization he joined. What Ali did took major heart and guts to do. Ali took a stand against the Vietnam when young Americans were dying. And more ********** were dying per capita than whites. So his stand took balls especially for a black man. I'm a son and nephew of draft dodgers too and my dad and uncles had major love for Ali. For the people who hated Ali in America their was just as many who loved him. The draft dodgers of the Vietnam war were all admirers of Ali. And guess what the majority of the draft dodgers were white(just like my dad and uncles). The people who hated Ali back then came to respect and love him later on in life because they realize what he did really took heart and courage.

Floyd has never done anything that people will say later well what he did took heart and courage so now I love him. He's just a good fighters who fought in a watered down era and avoided threats when they were at their peak.

That's just reality.

[aboutfkntime]

Sorry but I have to disagree.

His resume doesn't allow him being ranked higher then he is now which is around 20th. And time won't change anything.

If you are going off of the, "well when Ali fought he was hated too and now he is loved" theory. Just stop it now.

Ali was hated by people for the stand he took and the organization he joined. What Ali did took major heart and guts to do. Ali took a stand against the Vietnam when young Americans were dying. And more ********** were dying per capita than whites. So his stand took balls especially for a black man. I'm a son and nephew of draft dodgers too and my dad and uncles had major love for Ali. For the people who hated Ali in America their was just as many who loved him. The draft dodgers of the Vietnam war were all admirers of Ali. And guess what the majority of the draft dodgers were white(just like my dad and uncles). The people who hated Ali back then came to respect and love him later on in life because they realize what he did really took heart and courage.

Floyd has never done anything that people will say later well what he did took heart and courage so now I love him. He's just a good fighters who fought in a watered down era and avoided threats when they were at their peak.

That's just reality.

No, nothing to do with Ali.

It is about the gap that he will leave, the additional achievements of younger guys like Canelo, the hater-fuel subsiding, and the effort that historians will put into defining his legacy.

It always happens, it will definitely happen to Mayweather as well.

Also, he is simply better than a lot of people give him credit for.

e.g. earlier posters rating pea ahead of mayweather, despite their respective resumes, and despite Mayweather outboxing pea when Floyd was a 16yo kid.

[tangalog2200]

u are right bro smh, to be honest when i make my list i go off who i saw growing up, watching ali on youtube shows how great he is but its hard to rank him and ray robinson in my top 5 because id be doing it based on hype. as 90% of these posters do. there are a select few of boxing fans who actually watch and study those tapes of these greats, ive watched some but I admit im not that guy. I do listen to the experts and based on what they say ray and ali would have to be up there as some of the greats.. but when i make my top 5 list it will be fighters i grew up watching and actually felt the energy of their era.

i would not say that you are totally biased on how you rate fighters...ones that you grow up with or something to that effect...

ranking fighters is really subjective with a lot of intangibles that could not be put on paper because of the complexity that accompany them...

i am 59 ys old and i have watched boxing long enough from black & white tvs, from ali, srl, duran, pryor, alexis, hearns, frazer, foreman etc etc up to the present era of odlh, floyd, pac & company........

i am also aware that so called experts rank fighters differently..that only shows ranking fighters is not an exact science...

i am a pinoy like pac, and even with his vast and remarkable accomplishments i could not readily say his up over ali on rankings....

and floyd, claiming his tbe, could not be up over ali who claimed his the goat, or to pac who had made no claims to himself...or to srr srl duran etc etc...

am i bashing floyd here? no....i am just saying at my age, i take everything with a grain of salt...

[sicko]

If you hate Mayweather then I don't know why his Opinion would be All that Important to you?

I think his list is **** but that is his opinion and he is entitled to it. But I think he knew his list would create headlines and get people talking

[boxinghead530]

No, nothing to do with Ali.

It is about the gap that he will leave, the additional achievements of younger guys like Canelo, the hater-fuel subsiding, and the effort that historians will put into defining his legacy.

It always happens, it will definitely happen to Mayweather as well.

Also, he is simply better than a lot of people give him credit for.

e.g. earlier posters rating pea ahead of mayweather, despite their respective resumes, and despite Mayweather outboxing pea when Floyd was a 16yo kid.

When has that happened to a fighter after they retired?

So you are banking on Canelo having a atg career to move Floyd up. In Floyds fights with Canelo, Floyd took it to him and won easily. But any honest objective person knows Floyd took advantage of Canelo saying he'd fight at 151. Plus in all honesty Canelo still was green no matter how you look at it. He just has major balls for wanting that fight.

But even if Canelo has this amazing career where people call him an atg that won't push Floyd up the ladder. They will just honestly look at his fight with Floyd as being fought at a very very very early stage in his career and was still green and had lots to still learn.


Plus when did Floyd outbox sweet pea? What in sparring. Like that has any bearing on his ranking. Guess what victor Ortiz f'ed up Oscar de la Hoya in sparring too, does that have any bearing on oscars accomplishments.

[damian War]

When has that happened to a fighter after they retired?

So you are banking on Canelo having a atg career to move Floyd up. In Floyds fights with Canelo, Floyd took it to him and won easily. But any honest objective person knows Floyd took advantage of Canelo saying he'd fight at 151. Plus in all honesty Canelo still was green no matter how you look at it. He just has major balls for wanting that fight.

But even if Canelo has this amazing career where people call him an atg that won't push Floyd up the ladder. They will just honestly look at his fight with Floyd as being fought at a very very very early stage in his career and was still green and had lots to still learn.


Plus when did Floyd outbox sweet pea? What in sparring. Like that has any bearing on his ranking. Guess what victor Ortiz f'ed up Oscar de la Hoya in sparring too, does that have any bearing on oscars accomplishments.

before the fight people said floyd was scared.. now canelo too green..lol..and um, hate to break it to you but a record of 42-0, 30 KO's is not "green".. you know what green is, leon spinks being 6-0 when he beat ali.

[b00g13man]

e.g. earlier posters rating pea ahead of mayweather, despite their respective resumes, and despite Mayweather outboxing pea when Floyd was a 16yo kid.

Sparring means nothing. Is Spadafora ahead of Floyd all of a sudden?