will GGG be a top 5 middleweight of all time by the end of his career ?

[just the facts]

Obelmejias' career was built on south american club fighters, he along with Mugabi, Lee, Scypion weren't that special. Hamsho was very good, as was Minter, Antuofermo and Roldan.

Take out Lee and every fighter you named was at least as good as any ggg has fought and most were much better

[bigjavi973]

He was upgraded to regular WBA (the paper belt Danny Jacobs holds at present) titleholder in 2010. Defended it 10 times: Nilson Julio Tapia, Kassim Ouma, Lajuan Simon (won vacant IBO world middleweight title), Makoto Fuchigami, Grzegorz Proksa, Gabriel Rosado, Nobuhiro Ishida, Matthew Macklin, Curtis Stevens, Osumanu Adama.

He was upgraded to Super WBA (the real WBA middleweight belt) in 2014. Defended it 4 times: Daniel Geale, Marco Antonio Rubio (won interim WBC), Martin Murray, Willie Monroe Jr.

His 15th consecutive WBA defense is vs Lemieux. Hopkins' record is 19 consecutive defenses of the IBF belt.

The WBA dual belt system is a joke.

Yup... its a disgrace... we should start counting Thurman & Daniel Jacobs wins as well as title defenses. lara too!

[just the facts]

His skills alone will let him easily be top 5, just depends if the other fighter step up.

When Hagler and co fought, fighters weren't pink clock wearing divas who are holding belts hostage and are running from the real champ. GGG probably most feared MW ever, you cannot force people to fight him. If he beats Lemieux, Canelo and Lee by next year, Floyd hopefully retires then GGG he will be on top of the p4p list.

After Floyd retires, wins over Lemew, Canelo and Lee will get you to p4p #1? Really? Naw, ggg already passed on the fight that could have put him there (Ward)

[M Bison]

After Floyd retires, wins over Lemew, Canelo and Lee will get you to p4p #1? Really? Naw, ggg already passed on the fight that could have put him there (Ward)

Floyd too small to make 154, GGG too small to make 168...

[just the facts]

I think people are losing sight of the fact that Geale and Murray are good fighters. Obviously the usual ******s will call them bums because they haven't won tons of world titles and been p4p rated, but actually look at the way they box and they are of a reasonably high quality. They are solid B level guys and both are world class.


And GGG ABSOLUTELY PULVERIZED THEM.

You're missing the point, pulverizing solid B level guys won't get you mentioned in the top anything all time

[M Bison]

You're missing the point, pulverizing solid B level guys won't get you mentioned in the top anything all time

Name the A guys Floyd or Ward beat?
Floyd -
Pacquiao
Miguel Cotto
Oscar De La Hoya (maybe, questionable at the time he fought him)

And that's it...
Ward, he hasn't fought any A level guys, you wont try and lie to me and say that Froch and Kessler are A level will you?

[just the facts]

Floyd too small to make 154, GGG too small to make 168...

"We'll fight anyone from 154-168",(except Andre Ward)

[just the facts]

Name the A guys Floyd or Ward beat?
Floyd -
Pacquiao
Miguel Cotto
Oscar De La Hoya (maybe, questionable at the time he fought him)

And that's it...
Ward, he hasn't fought any A level guys, you wont try and lie to me and say that Froch and Kessler are A level will you?

If you don't think Kessler and especially Froch aren't A list fighter the you DKSAB. Even Abraham is head and shoulders above anyone ggg has fought.

Don't know why Floyd is in this conversation, but man did you miss the bus on his resume

[M Bison]

If you don't think Kessler and especially Froch aren't A list fighter the you DKSAB. Even Abraham is head and shoulders above anyone ggg has fought.

Don't know why Floyd is in this conversation, but man did you miss the bus on his resume

So flat footed plodders who offer no technical prowess other than move forward and brawl are A+ fighters?
Okay, riddle me this how did they become A+ tell me who they beat, to be an A+ fighter who did they beat...
Froch has beat which guy who was an A+ fighter and on the record beating a washed up version of Kessler doesn't count and Bute certainly wasn't ever near that A level.

Please, name the guys I'm looking forward to hear it.

[M Bison]

The fact is you can make your own personal little agenda with anything, when you dissect things further you can suit anything to your own 'thinking' the only thing that seems to make people even more mad is when you turn it around and put that same type of thinking on their favourite fighter.

Has Carl Froch beat any A+ fighter when you think about it deep down, really has he and then If he hasn't what is the criteria to being an "A+ fighter"?
He's fought everyone he possibly could though and when he came up against slick fighters he often lost or was gifted a decision in his favour aka Andre Dirrell and the first Groves fight yet for some reason he seems safe and out of the criticism.

What it boils down to is bias, you give others credit when it favours whoever you're rooting for to hype their name up a very easy thing to do which has been done so many times before in the past.