PBC sucks, is terrible for boxing and I hope it implodes under the weight of it's own

[Deevel916]

Bitter b*tches. What boxing fan complains that there is more boxing on TV? Like every fight is supposed to be Corrales-Castillo or some ****.

BTW PBC is five months old and there actually have been quite a few entertaining fights. Curious to see how this all plays out.

You're the type of guy that will wait in line for a free hotdog just because its free rather than paying for something that you really want to eat.

[The Big Dunn]

One of PBC's biggest problems is building stars. They have none. The closest thing they have to a "star" is Garcia, Thurman and Khan, and I dont see either of them breaking thru to the type of star Floyd, Pac, Oscar, Canelo, Cotto is.

The biggest issue in my opinion is one of the reasons why their ratings keep diving. There's no consistency with their shows. They fight on a plethora of networks, on different days of the week and at different times. I can barely keep up with it and I doubt the average casual fan can. Would have been smarter to obtain his own tv network just for his shows. This way he can have a solid foundation and fans across the board will now where to tune in to catch these fights. Have a specific time and day of the week and establish it. With HBO, we know that if there's a fight on, its more than likely taking place on a Sat night around 9-10pm ET. Same with Showtime. PBC is just all over the place and has no structure.

Lastly, the PBC brand needs a face. You think of GBP you automatically think of Oscar Delahoya. Same for TR and Bob Arum. You think of UFC you think of Dana White. PBC has no name/brand recognition because there's no face behind it. This is where Haymon should have used Floyd. Floyd while hated is known and could have done wonders for helping build the PBC brand.

How can a company build a star in 6 months? It took all of those men, accept Canelo, years and multiple big wins to reach star level.

Your points in the 2nd and 3rd paragraph are absolutely fair. These things can easily be fixed. The time buy strategy is new. What if it works?

[IMDAZED]

You're the type of guy that will wait in line for a free hotdog just because its free rather than paying for something that you really want to eat.

Terrible, terrible analogy. Save the hyperbole and respond with some substance.

[IMDAZED]

You also don't see fans post things like-"I only watch games on CBS and not NFL Network because the production is worse" or " I hope sunday night football on NBC fails so we can go back to games only on Sunday afternoon on Fox".

Let them keep whining. It isn't changing anything.

[The Big Dunn]

Bitter b*tches. What boxing fan complains that there is more boxing on TV? Like every fight is supposed to be Corrales-Castillo or some ****.

BTW PBC is five months old and there actually have been quite a few entertaining fights. Curious to see how this all plays out.

That's what I really do not get. if the criticism is poor production, too many voices or poor matchmaking, that is very fair. But elimination as the remedy for that makes little sense.

I am all for demanding better fights but what is really telling is when HBO puts on a bad fight/mismatch-the card is judged by the best fight of the night. When PBC does this, the mismatch/bad fight is what is used to measure the card.

Why?

[Deevel916]

How can a company build a star in 6 months? It took all of those men, accept Canelo, years and multiple big wins to reach star level.

Your points in the 2nd and 3rd paragraph are absolutely fair. These things can easily be fixed. The time buy strategy is new. What if it works?

The company is 6 months old but these guys have been under Haymon for how long?

HBO was doing wonders for Adonis Stevenson and he was on a fast track to major PPV fights until Haymon stepped in and derailed all the traction he had. Look at fighters like Kovalev and GGG. Even without fighting other high profile fighters have built quite a following under HBO. Of course their seek and destroy styles also have lots to do with it.

Haymon's biggest star for PBC was Adrien Broner and his stock has dropped like a boulder off a cliff.

[IMDAZED]

That's what I really do not get. if the criticism is poor production, too many voices or poor matchmaking, that is very fair. But elimination as the remedy for that makes little sense.

I am all for demanding better fights but what is really telling is when HBO puts on a bad fight/mismatch-the card is judged by the best fight of the night. When PBC does this, the mismatch/bad fight is what is used to measure the card.

Why?

There have been plenty of good matchups as well.

More important...it's barely been five months. Why are folks so nervous

[BodiesInFlight]

Terrible, terrible analogy. Save the hyperbole and respond with some substance.

You're right. Let's cut the NFL season down to four games.

[-PBP-]

"Network and promotional fanboys suck, are terrible for boxing and I hope PBC succeeds to piss them off even more."


But seriously PBC doesn't suck, Haymon doesn't suck, HBO doesn't suck, ShowTime doesn't suck, etc. They all have their moments and their bad nights.

[The Big Dunn]

The company is 6 months old but these guys have been under Haymon for how long?

HBO was doing wonders for Adonis Stevenson and he was on a fast track to major PPV fights until Haymon stepped in and derailed all the traction he had. Look at fighters like Kovalev and GGG. Even without fighting other high profile fighters have built quite a following under HBO. Of course their seek and destroy styles also have lots to do with it.

Haymon's biggest star for PBC was Adrien Broner and his stock has dropped like a boulder off a cliff.

HBo is seen as the more prestigious network because of their history so those that fight on HBO and get a push from them will be held in higher esteem.

Like the USFL- if a guy went to the NFL he was perceived as better. not until the USFL guys like Reggie White, Steve Young, Herschel and others started dominating in the NFL were they appreciated.

When I stared watching boxing it wasn't based on what network you fought on but who you beat. There were no network deals either so is what it is.

Stevenson's career isn't derailed because he signed with Haymon. Kov fought Caparello and Mohammedi-absolute bums-Stevenson is fighting Kaprency and shutosky-absolute bums. BHop and Pascal fights were great. If kov doesn't get Bieterbiev and Stevenson does, momentm changes back as Kov fights garbage rematches.

Yeah because Broner did something GGG and Kov wouldn't-go up in weight and fight. He had star potential but didn't take his career seriously, just like Chavez. HBO invested in gamboa and JuanMa-they got no return on investment.

Doesn't PBC get time to see where this goes or do they have to start high and keep groeing in order for you to see it as a success?