Comments Thread For: Andrade's Promoters Sue Roc Nation Sports For $10 Million

[Rip Chudd]

Well goes to show you what goes on behind the scenes. Just sounds like a big mess. I don't know how Star & Banner think they are owed 10 mil though.

[rasdun]

Well goes to show you what goes on behind the scenes. Just sounds like a big mess. I don't know how Star & Banner think they are owed 10 mil though.

Obviously you are going to sue for more than what the case is worth. otherwise, if it comes to light during the discovery process that there are additional damages, then amended pleadings need to filed, which may not be possible depending on statute of limitations, etc. In short, there are legal reasons.
Also, Star and banner lost on the continuing development of Andrade's brand. 1 year ago, he was a rising star in the 154 lb weight class who was coming off of a couple impressive wins on HBO. The damages are not just from the loss of the fight with Charlo, but what future purses would've been after the Charlo fight.
Now, he's almost an afterthought in the division. His ability to obtain an offer for 1 mil or more is probably non-existent, and it will take time and money just to get his brand back to the point it was at 1 year ago

[bigdunny1]

Every sport that is under one banner is the best competing with the best. Boxing ISN'T under one banner therefore PBC or anyone else isn't gonna be having the best fight the best until there is just one banner so ****ting on PBC right now for not doing something no one is capable of isn't meaningful.

And one banner will happen at some point when fans get bored enough with the status quo & the money declines enough for the people involved in boxing to actually make changes. If it isn't PBC it'll be someone else further down the line.

PBC is essentially under one banner right now. So what is Haymon waiting for he has 200 boxers signed more then any other promoter and yet none of those 200 fighters fight the best. You can make excuses in the cases where Haymon would have to work with other promoters (which he refuses to do right now) but what is the excuse for him not making the best fight the best in his own stable? Again it's all one banner those 200 fighters don't need help from any other promoters for the fight not being made it's all up to Haymon to green light it and he simply does not. Bringing up other sports is irreverent when dealing with a man who at every point has gone against that. And under his own banner would rather put his best fighters in mismatches on separate cards then in fights against each other.

[rasdun]

Every sport that is under one banner is the best competing with the best. Boxing ISN'T under one banner therefore PBC or anyone else isn't gonna be having the best fight the best until there is just one banner so ****ting on PBC right now for not doing something no one is capable of isn't meaningful.

And one banner will happen at some point when fans get bored enough with the status quo & the money declines enough for the people involved in boxing to actually make changes. If it isn't PBC it'll be someone else further down the line.

But the point is that PBC has so many fighetrs that they can make better fights. They have made a few like Mares v. Santa Cr, Garcia v. Peterson and Broner v Porter. But, we've gotten some bad ones like Lara v. 50-1 dog Delvin Rodriguez, Thurman v. 30-1 dog Collazo , Garcia v. 12-1 dog Malignaggi and probably Mayweather v. 40-1 dog Berto. when Mayweather, Garcia, Thurman, Khan, Broner and Porter are all under PBC, there are so many great fights that can be made
How about something like Mayweather v. Porter, Thurman v. khan and winners v. winners. That would be great

[rasdun]

Advertising is done months in advance. You let the cream of your fighters rise to the top, then they fight one another when you have a chance to actually monetize it off of real advertising. I guess you wanted a PPV level fight every weekend like getting at HBO (sarcasm)

the cream has already risen. Don't we know that Thurman, Khan, Garcia, and Porter are top 5 or top 7 147 lbers. So why can't any of them fight each other?

[Rip Chudd]

Obviously you are going to sue for more than what the case is worth. otherwise, if it comes to light during the discovery process that there are additional damages, then amended pleadings need to filed, which may not be possible depending on statute of limitations, etc. In short, there are legal reasons.
Also, Star and banner lost on the continuing development of Andrade's brand. 1 year ago, he was a rising star in the 154 lb weight class who was coming off of a couple impressive wins on HBO. The damages are not just from the loss of the fight with Charlo, but what future purses would've been after the Charlo fight.
Now, he's almost an afterthought in the division. His ability to obtain an offer for 1 mil or more is probably non-existent, and it will take time and money just to get his brand back to the point it was at 1 year ago

Yeah but why would they sue for 10 mil based on what Andrade would of made in future fights when they wouldn't have been involved in future fights anyway because Roc Nation would of just bought him out for 2 mil. So he declined the fight, wasn't paid half million, and just sat on the shelf after that doing nothing. Banner could of gotten him a fight after that. I don't see how they could sue for future purses after the Charlo fight when they wouldn't have been involved anyway

[bigdunny1]

Advertising is done months in advance. You let the cream of your fighters rise to the top, then they fight one another when you have a chance to actually monetize it off of real advertising. I guess you wanted a PPV level fight every weekend like getting at HBO (sarcasm)

I love how the Haymon ballwashers just keep making excuses and moving the goal post. All I heard months to a year before PBC when Haymon was serving terrible mismatches on Showtime was just wait Haymon will start making the fights fans want when the GB situation with Schaefer is settled in court. Then it was just wait till he makes his power move to Network TV he will start making the fights fans want. Then it was I know these PBC fights are crap but he just wants to get each fighter one fight on PBC to introduce them to fans then the second round of fights for these fighters will be the fights fans want. None of these predictions have come true by the way. Now we are deep into PBC cards and you telling wait next year till he get's advertising then he will make the fights fans want? Ignoring the simple fact that NOTHING in Haymon's past suggest this will ever happen. His history is that of shoveling mismatches down our throats and extorting networks to overpay for them. It's nothing more then wishful thinking that he will ever change this strategy.

The crap he is doing on PBC now is what got his butt banned from HBO what 3 years ago? The crap he is doing now is what ruined the rep and brand for Showtime boxing hitting alltime low with Garcia vs Salka. And now PBC is a punchline where as soon as they release a upcoming fight fans already assume it will be hot garbage.

[bojangles1987]

Damn, first Al Haymon, then 50 Cent, then Jay Z.

I don't recall anyone suing Bob Arum. Safe to say the old man knows his **** in boxing.

Are you kidding? Do you really not know how many fighters have sued Bob Arum?

[rasdun]

Yeah but why would they sue for 10 mil based on what Andrade would of made in future fights when they wouldn't have been involved in future fights anyway because Roc Nation would of just bought him out for 2 mil. So he declined the fight, wasn't paid half million, and just sat on the shelf after that doing nothing. Banner could of gotten him a fight after that. I don't see how they could sue for future purses after the Charlo fight when they wouldn't have been involved anyway

Who said they wouldn't be involved. They have an EPA. They didn't have to sell contract for 2 mil. So, not only did they lose the $ from the Charlo fight, but according to the claim, the offer was for a 3 fight deal with escalations for each fight. He lost that - so a claim could be made for the loss of income from that deal. in addition, if Andrade had those fights, his brand could've gotten bigger and gotten bigger offers thereafter that he will not now get.

[Eff Pandas]

PBC is essentially under one banner right now. So what is Haymon waiting for he has 200 boxers signed more then any other promoter and yet none of those 200 fighters fight the best. You can make excuses in the cases where Haymon would have to work with other promoters (which he refuses to do right now) but what is the excuse for him not making the best fight the best in his own stable? Again it's all one banner those 200 fighters don't need help from any other promoters for the fight not being made it's all up to Haymon to green light it and he simply does not. Bringing up other sports is irreverent when dealing with a man who at every point has gone against that. And under his own banner would rather put his best fighters in mismatches on separate cards then in fights against each other.

Well everyone is under one banner is the problem. TR has there banner. GBP as there Canelo banner & so on & so forth. What I'm saying is there isn't one banner in the whole sport or one massive banner like in other sports. I mean its not like NBA is the only people playing basketball. There are leagues everywhere just about. But the NBA is the most elite league in the world for basketball players to play at so you need at least that sorta banner level happening & no one in boxing has that power yet.

And PBC having 200 boxers & maybe 20, 25/max elite level guys means **** all in a sport where there are 19,000 boxers (according to boxrec anyway) & assuming anyone in the top 20 is considered elite there'd be 340 elite boxers. PBC has a long way to go still to get to where they wanna be & its a highly risky road as boxing fans aren't the biggest innovation fans or fans of change.

PBC is still building a product so you don't throw your top 2 guys in each division in with each other every 6 months cuz no one is doing that now either. Pacquiao went a couple years pre-Mayweather before he had a legit challenge (Marquez) iirc. Plenty of promoters aren't throwing there best in with their best often. Neither is Haymon. As of right now you should be considering Haymon more of a typical guy than a NBA or UFC of boxing cuz he doesn't have that critical mass of talent yet. Its 4 months in with this active PBC plan ffs. You don't take over the world of boxing in 4 months. There are too many names locked into promotional deals to for a critical mass to even be achieved. Wait til Crawford's contract is up & he starts looking towards PBC. Or wait til Mikey Garcia flips to PBC as I think is a forgone conclusion. Wait til Kovalev realizes most of the guys he has to fight are in the PBC already. Wait til Ward gets tired of fighting on BET. Its going to take 2.5-3yrs before you can reasonably be complaining about PBC & just not be a hater or PBC, Haymon or the fact Haymon is connected to Mayweather or he's a recluse or he's black or whatever reason people are hating this whole deal without much negative really going on with it yet.