Comments Thread For: Andrade's Promoters Sue Roc Nation Sports For $10 Million

[bigdunny1]

Looking at the timing of all this I think what happened is Roc Nation was negotiating deals with multiple fighters all at the same time. Had a verbal agreement with boo boo and something changed. My guess is they were handing out large contracts to Cotto and Ward and they exhausted their budget when those guys signed and took the verbal deal with boo boo off the table. Hell boo boo might of just been their backup plan if Cotto did not sign.

Either way it's on boo boo for turning down the fight without having a contract in hand from Roc Nation. Rookie business mistake. Now boo boo taking shots at Cotto and it makes sense he thinks Cotto took his Roc Nation deal.

[rasdun]

I love how the Haymon ballwashers just keep making excuses and moving the goal post. All I heard months to a year before PBC when Haymon was serving terrible mismatches on Showtime was just wait Haymon will start making the fights fans want when the GB situation with Schaefer is settled in court. Then it was just wait till he makes his power move to Network TV he will start making the fights fans want. Then it was I know these PBC fights are crap but he just wants to get each fighter one fight on PBC to introduce them to fans then the second round of fights for these fighters will be the fights fans want. None of these predictions have come true by the way. Now we are deep into PBC cards and you telling wait next year till he get's advertising then he will make the fights fans want? Ignoring the simple fact that NOTHING in Haymon's past suggest this will ever happen. His history is that of shoveling mismatches down our throats and extorting networks to overpay for them. It's nothing more then wishful thinking that he will ever change this strategy.

The crap he is doing on PBC now is what got his butt banned from HBO what 3 years ago? The crap he is doing now is what ruined the rep and brand for Showtime boxing hitting alltime low with Garcia vs Salka. And now PBC is a punchline where as soon as they release a upcoming fight fans already assume it will be hot garbage.

Although he has made a few good fights, there is mostly truth coming from you. More 10-1 mismatches than pick-em fights

[rasdun]

Looking at the timing of all this I think what happened is Roc Nation was negotiating deals with multiple fighters all at the same time. Had a verbal agreement with boo boo and something changed. My guess is they were handing out large contracts to Cotto and Ward and they exhausted their budget when those guys signed and took the verbal deal with boo boo off the table. Hell boo boo might of just been their backup plan if Cotto did not sign.

Either way it's on boo boo for turning down the fight without having a contract in hand from Roc Nation. Now boo boo taking shots at Cotto and it makes sense he thinks Cotto took his Roc Nation deal.

Right. But, if the allegations are true, Star and banner have a claim against Roc, not Boo Boo. if allegations are true there was most definiteily tortious interference with a contract which resulted in a loss of income for Star and Banner.
Although, as I pointed out above, there are a lot of things to continue with regard to damages

[rasdun]

Well everyone is under one banner is the problem. TR has there banner. GBP as there Canelo banner & so on & so forth. What I'm saying is there isn't one banner in the whole sport or one massive banner like in other sports. I mean its not like NBA is the only people playing basketball. There are leagues everywhere just about. But the NBA is the most elite league in the world for basketball players to play at so you need at least that sorta banner level happening & no one in boxing has that power yet.

And PBC having 200 boxers & maybe 20, 25/max elite level guys means **** all in a sport where there are 19,000 boxers (according to boxrec anyway) & assuming anyone in the top 20 is considered elite there'd be 340 elite boxers. PBC has a long way to go still to get to where they wanna be & its a highly risky road as boxing fans aren't the biggest innovation fans or fans of change.

PBC is still building a product so you don't throw your top 2 guys in each division in with each other every 6 months cuz no one is doing that now either. Pacquiao went a couple years pre-Mayweather before he had a legit challenge (Marquez) iirc. Plenty of promoters aren't throwing there best in with their best often. Neither is Haymon. As of right now you should be considering Haymon more of a typical guy than a NBA or UFC of boxing cuz he doesn't have that critical mass of talent yet. Its 4 months in with this active PBC plan ffs. You don't take over the world of boxing in 4 months. There are too many names locked into promotional deals to for a critical mass to even be achieved. Wait til Crawford's contract is up & he starts looking towards PBC. Or wait til Mikey Garcia flips to PBC as I think is a forgone conclusion. Wait til Kovalev realizes most of the guys he has to fight are in the PBC already. Wait til Ward gets tired of fighting on BET. Its going to take 2.5-3yrs before you can reasonably be complaining about PBC & just not be a hater or PBC, Haymon or the fact Haymon is connected to Mayweather or he's a recluse or he's black or whatever reason people are hating this whole deal without much negative really going on with it yet.

that's B.S. As the poster set forth above, people were saying the same thing a year ago - Haymon did mismatches with Berto on Hbo, many fighters on show and has now continued the trend. It would only be good for the sport to have fighters like Thurman, Porter, Khan, and Garcia fight each other.
You don't need to "take over the boxing world" to make good matches. PBC has enough fighters to make competitive matches and instead we've gotten WAY too many fights with 10-1 underdogs

[bigdunny1]

Eff Pandas there was a time where UFC had less fighters in MMA then PBC has boxers now and UFC still put their best up against each other. There are other leagues with less talent in their sport then PBC does and again they match up the best. It's bs excuses for him to have more fighters by far then any other promoter and his own platform yet with and so many options to give the fans what they want yet he doesn't. Like I said guys keep lying to yourself saying wait the fights are coming. He just need more advertisers he needs more fighters blah blah the excuse changes ever few months. 6 months from now you will have a new excuse for why Haymon is still putting out garbage mismatches. I have heard them all for over 3 years and the results stay the same Haymon being the road block to many of the fights fans want and blatant mismatches instead.

[bigdunny1]

Right. But, if the allegations are true, Star and banner have a claim against Roc, not Boo Boo. if allegations are true there was most definiteily tortious interference with a contract which resulted in a loss of income for Star and Banner.
Although, as I pointed out above, there are a lot of things to continue with regard to damages

Of course I think the allegations are true but unless you had a written contract don't see what the courts can do. DeAndre Jordan gave verbal agreement to sign with the Dallas Mavericks. Then the Clippers scooped in and signed him because they had nothing signed. I don't see the mavs suing. This is on some Jerry Mcguire shyt with Cushs dad saying “You know I don’t do contracts, but what you do have is my word. And it’s stronger than oak.” LMAO

[Eff Pandas]

that's B.S. As the poster set forth above, people were saying the same thing a year ago - Haymon did mismatches with Berto on Hbo, many fighters on show and has now continued the trend. It would only be good for the sport to have fighters like Thurman, Porter, Khan, and Garcia fight each other.
You don't need to "take over the boxing world" to make good matches. PBC has enough fighters to make competitive matches and instead we've gotten WAY too many fights with 10-1 underdogs

You are missing the point. 1)PBC is a new entity. Sure Haymon has been around. Maybe Haymon has wanted to make a NBA of boxing since he first got into boxing with Vernon Forest or hell maybe he had this as a goal when his brother was active in the sport. The reality is PBC is the first move towards that goal & its been around 4 months (March of 2015) since its activity been around.

2)There is surely a bigger plan in play then have the top two guys fight each month. If you don't realize that you are as short sighted as most boxing fans who think a guy is the man or garbage based on if he won or lost his last fight.

3)Nah you don't need good fights to take over boxing. You need the elite fighters themselves & as I said there are 19,000 "active" boxers in the last year. Haymon has 200ish of them. If the top 20 of each division can be considered "elite" boxers than maybe Haymon has 20, 25 of them right now. You can't have a critical mass with only 1% of elite boxers & 6% of the elite fighters in the sport. Its clearly better than anyone else, but its not enough to do like they wanna do.

This is a long term plan. I suspect within 2.5-3yrs you'll be seeing PBC have 10-15% of the elite level boxers. Than we can start talking about what they are doing or not doing. Right now he's just like TR & GBP if they were actually working together exclusively as hyped or if TR & HBO just worked together all the time. He's basically two big en****** more than he's the NBA of boxing.

[bigjavi973]

So either no serious efforts where made by RNS or Star Boxing & Banner promotions rejected the deal... hhmmm

[rasdun]

Of course I think the allegations are true but unless you had a written contract don't see what the courts can do. DeAndre Jordan gave verbal agreement to sign with the Dallas Mavericks. Then the Clippers scooped in and signed him because they had nothing signed. I don't see the mavs suing. This is on some Jerry Mcguire shyt with Cushs dad saying “You know I don’t do contracts, but what you do have is my word. And it’s stronger than oak.” LMAO

But Star and Banner do have a contract, and Andrade's testimony would be evidence of Roc's interference with a contract. It's not breach, bc Andrade didn't sign a new contract. But it's tortious interference, and in these cases, testimony and e-mails is always the only evidence you'll have

[rasdun]

You are missing the point. 1)PBC is a new entity. Sure Haymon has been around. Maybe Haymon has wanted to make a NBA of boxing since he first got into boxing with Vernon Forest or hell maybe he had this as a goal when his brother was active in the sport. The reality is PBC is the first move towards that goal & its been around 4 months (March of 2015) since its activity been around.

2)There is surely a bigger plan in play then have the top two guys fight each month. If you don't realize that you are as short sighted as most boxing fans who think a guy is the man or garbage based on if he won or lost his last fight.

3)Nah you don't need good fights to take over boxing. You need the elite fighters themselves & as I said there are 19,000 "active" boxers in the last year. Haymon has 200ish of them. If the top 20 of each division can be considered "elite" boxers than maybe Haymon has 20, 25 of them right now. You can't have a critical mass with only 1% of elite boxers & 6% of the elite fighters in the sport. Its clearly better than anyone else, but its not enough to do like they wanna do.

This is a long term plan. I suspect within 2.5-3yrs you'll be seeing PBC have 10-15% of the elite level boxers. Than we can start talking about what they are doing or not doing. Right now he's just like TR & GBP if they were actually working together exclusively as hyped or if TR & HBO just worked together all the time. He's basically two big en****** more than he's the NBA of boxing.

As the poster pointed out above, UFC didn't always have the best fighters, there was Pride, which at the time had even more top fighters than UFC. But, UFC has ALWAYS made the best fights they could.
It will never be bad for the sport to make the best matches that you can . NEVER.
you may lose out on making a specific fight bigger than it can be, and make less in the short-term. But, as you are pointing out, this is a long-range plan. As a whole, boxing fans and sports fans will respond positively to the best fights and the best fighting the best. Making Thurman v. Khan now and Porter v. Garcia now is GOOD FOR THE SPORT! That's it. Really no way to argue against that