Who's the better defensive fighter Floyd Mayweather Jr. or Pernell Whitaker?

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  • -PBP-
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    #71
    Originally posted by Xi_
    yes i do consider wlad to be one of the greatest defensive hw's ever....forman was getting his ass whooped against michael moore so let's not forget that he was about to lose that fight.....drugs or no drugs whitaker's style wouldn't have allowed him to fight into his late 30's and 40's because it required superior legs, reflexes and clowning. weight loss and drugs are nothing but excuses.
    It's not an excuse. It's just pointing out how irrelevant it is. Being the best defensive fighter to me involves not only limiting the amount of punishment you take but being able to transition out of a defensive position and launch a consistent sustained offensive attack. Whitaker, Toney, Duran and Jones are great defensive fighters that are much more offensive minded than Hopkins and Floyd (particularly at an older age).

    I give a lot more credit to offensive minded fighters that have good defense than defensive first fighters that are more conservative in their work rate.

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    • BodiesInFlight
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      #72
      Originally posted by The Big Dunn
      Fans in Sweet Pea's era appreciated all aspects and styles and didn't care what channel a fight was on. Today there is a large group of fans that only want to see their favorites get KO's on HBO and hate everything else.
      Bit hypocritical there man, you're always shitting on HBO and defend PBC to high heaven.

      Anyway i picked Mayweather.

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      • LoadedWraps
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        #73
        Originally posted by IronDanHamza
        How do you know? What do you base that on? In regards to Charley Burley.

        What fights of his have you seen?
        I have a good amount of footage of his on one of my hard drives, but I am moving at the end of the month so once I setup at my new place I can dig through my archives and find it for you.

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        • bigjavi973
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          #74
          Originally posted by dannyl15
          Whitaker has been dropped, Mayweather hasn't.
          HAHAHAHAHAHHA didn't judah slap him & floyd almost fell over?

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          • IronDanHamza
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            #75
            Originally posted by LoadedWraps
            I have a good amount of footage of his on one of my hard drives, but I am moving at the end of the month so once I setup at my new place I can dig through my archives and find it for you.
            Oh is that so?

            Please share that with the world because I'm not sure if you're aware well clearly you aren't aware but there is no footage of Charley Burley except highlights of his fight with Oakland Billy Smith.

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            • IronDanHamza
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              #76
              Originally posted by bigjavi973
              HAHAHAHAHAHHA didn't judah slap him & floyd almost fell over?
              He did.

              But then on the flipside Roger Mayweather dropped Whitaker like a sack of ****.

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              • radioraheem
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                #77
                Originally posted by IronDanHamza
                He did.

                But then on the flipside Roger Mayweather dropped Whitaker like a sack of ****.
                It's funny how many people don't realise they fought.

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                • Doctor_Tenma
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                  #78
                  Offense needs to be involved because being able to transition is important, that said Mayweather is clearly the better counter puncher, that's not to say Whitaker isnt great in that regard either. I need to mention this because people are making it seem as though Mayweather's defense minimizes his offense more, not true at all, him being a better counter puncher than Pernell is proof of that.

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                  • b00g13man
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                    #79
                    Originally posted by IronDanHamza
                    Oh is that so?

                    Please share that with the world because I'm not sure if you're aware well clearly you aren't aware but there is no footage of Charley Burley except highlights of his fight with Oakland Billy Smith.
                    Loool. That's the only one I'm aware of also. Looking forward to these "videos".

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                    • Xi_
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                      #80
                      Originally posted by PBP
                      It's not an excuse. It's just pointing out how irrelevant it is. Being the best defensive fighter to me involves not only limiting the amount of punishment you take but being able to transition out of a defensive position and launch a consistent sustained offensive attack. Whitaker, Toney, Duran and Jones are great defensive fighters that are much more offensive minded than Hopkins and Floyd (particularly at an older age).

                      I give a lot more credit to offensive minded fighters that have good defense than defensive first fighters that are more conservative in their work rate.
                      I don't give crap about outside the ring activities. Duran was full of excuses when he lost to srl. They don't get any benefit of the doubt from me for not being consistent. Can you produce in the ring???? Thats the only question that matters. Both toney and Jones used peds as well so we have to keep that in mind too. Whitaker was getting dropped by lesser fighters in his prime. Floyd and Hopkins have done it the correct way and that's why they're greater defensive fighters.

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