What division would Andre Ward have fought in when 168 didn't exist?

[The Hammer]

It really depends a lot on the refereeing.

If Ward fights at mid-range, or on the outside, I don't give him much of an advantage over Golovkin at all.

If he can work the inside then he has a distinct advantage. Refereeing is key.

Correct.

With fair officiating, GGG KOs Ward.

But I don't think Golovkin will be able to deal with Ward's dirty tactics, and will end up with nasty cuts bleeding into his eyes from head butts.

Kovalev would be better able to deal with the Ward's head butts, having had the experience of fighting Hopkins and Agnew (obviously not as fast as Ward, but uses similar head butts).

[The Hammer]

Dude, get over this refereeing stuff [Floyd beat hatton because he is better than him] and give credit where its due. In the ring, Ward gets the job done. He has proven he is a great boxer.

I think Ward is great at dirty tactics such as delivering head butts. He's up there with Saddler and Hopkins.

Ward is better than Golota, in the sense that The Foul Pole was never wise enough to use a crooked referee to allow him to low blow.

[Weebler I]

Dude, get over this refereeing stuff [Floyd beat hatton because he is better than him] and give credit where its due. In the ring, Ward gets the job done. He has proven he is a great boxer.

Why you act like refereeing doesn't matter when it obviously does, particularly with inside fighters.

It's okay I already know why.

[Weebler I]

Correct.

With fair officiating, GGG KOs Ward.

But I don't think Golovkin will be able to deal with Ward's dirty tactics, and will end up with nasty cuts bleeding into his eyes from head butts.

Kovalev would be better able to deal with the Ward's head butts, having had the experience of fighting Hopkins and Agnew (obviously not as fast as Ward, but uses similar head butts)

Imo it's a 60-40 fight in Golovkin's favor if the ref keeps them at range.

I don't envisage a situation where Ward's able to run from him or outbox him.

[The Big Dunn]

I think Ward is great at dirty tactics such as delivering head butts. He's up there with Saddler and Hopkins.

Ward is better than Golota, in the sense that The Foul Pole was never wise enough to use a crooked referee to allow him to low blow.

Why you act like refereeing doesn't matter when it obviously does, particularly with inside fighters.

It's okay I already know why.

Man, you guys need to get over these losses that your favorite boxers have.

Weebler I, of course refereeing matters. I am not acting like it doesn't. I am saying flat out that Hatton didn't lose to Floyd and Froch/Kessler didn't lose to Ward because of it.

[Weebler I]

Man, you guys need to get over these losses that your favorite boxers have.

Weebler I, of course refereeing matters. I am not acting like it doesn't. I am saying flat out that Hatton didn't lose to Floyd and Froch/Kessler didn't lose to Ward because of it.

Well there you go.

Where the A-side gets preferential refereeing, it makes all the difference against certain opponents.

If Ward-Golovkin happens, how it eventuates will have a lot to do with the style of refereeing employed by the third man in the ring.

[Szef]

Man, you guys need to get over these losses that your favorite boxers have.

Weebler I, of course refereeing matters. I am not acting like it doesn't. I am saying flat out that Hatton didn't lose to Floyd and Froch/Kessler didn't lose to Ward because of it.

Froch and Hatton yes, but Kessler?

Come on he got headbutted how many times? 50 or so?

[The Big Dunn]

Well there you go.

Where the A-side gets preferential refereeing, it makes all the difference against certain opponents.

If Ward-Golovkin happens, how it eventuates will have a lot to do with the style of refereeing employed by the third man in the ring.

You are right in theory. Your problem is misapplying the theory where it doesn't belong rather than give a boxer you do not favor credit for beating one you do.

Besides, GGG is the A-side, not Ward, so in the heat of passionate hate you might have forgot that.

Refereeing matters less than skill. Ward is the more skilled fighter, which is saying something since GGG is highly skilled as well.

[The Big Dunn]

Froch and Hatton yes, but Kessler?

Come on he got headbutted how many times? 50 or so?

They happen in fights, more in some fights than others. Ward didn't "pull an Ortiz" against Kessler as Freedom would like people to believe.

[The Hammer]

Froch and Hatton yes, but Kessler?

Come on he got headbutted how many times?

Kessler was blinded for much of the fight by blood trickling into his eye from an early head butt.

Ward got him many times, and clamped his arm for much of the fight.

And then Ward got him with a very nasty head butt and the fight was stopped.

"Oh my, let's be honest here, Ward came in like a billy goat" - Al Bernstein