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  • #51
    What impresses me more is the fact that when he gets hurt, he somehow weathers the storm which shows he is intelligent enough to move or tie up his opponent when hurt.

    I wouldn't say hes really vulnerable to taking shots, maybe not the best but he makes up with it by outboxing and outbrawling when he needs too, a work in progress still id say.

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    • #52
      Originally posted by shenmue View Post
      Last 3 fights he has ran more, far too cautious now. I don't think he has too much confidence in his punch resistance. Good fighter when he lets his hands go though.

      "one time" is more like "run time" now, i believe he has lost his fear factor.
      Maybe he's trying to become more of a hit and don't get hit type. Whatever it is, he needs to get back to the old fun to watch Thurman or he will lose some fans for sure.

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      • #53
        Originally posted by shenmue View Post
        Last 3 fights he has ran more, far too cautious now. I don't think he has too much confidence in his punch resistance. Good fighter when he lets his hands go though.

        "one time" is more like "run time" now, i believe he has lost his fear factor.
        I agree.

        he has no chance against Floyd if he fights like that.

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        • #54
          i agree i never saw him as someone who could beat mayweather but that doesnt matter. the fact is hes a great young talent the thing is i agree it seems like hes always been so dominant so far in his career that when he gets hurt he does not know what to do and he starts to back pedal at an alarming rate. He did say in an interview after the fight he was going to take a knee but was worried how it would look

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          • #55
            Originally posted by mlac View Post
            comparing luis collazo a semi retired c level fighter to B bop in his prime an ATG multiple world champion is not really a good comparison buddy.

            Besides the fact that BHOP vs DLH was a fixed fake fight, even the blind could see it.

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            • #56
              Originally posted by El-blanco View Post
              Thurman moves way too much for a guy with his type of punch. I like him but he wasn't impressive last night and was very fortunate for that ending, which I still don't understand. People keep saying collazo took a beating in the 7th which I didn't see at all.
              This.
              I'm no Keith hater, I wanna see the kid improve but if your a fan you need to be real about his limitations at elite level he's soon to be mixing in.

              Thurman's power and boxing ability is looking increasingly mediocre as he moves side ways in the division, because Collazo isn't a step up from Guerrero.

              Forget the body shot, that's not the issue. More troubling for Keith is the fact that his ring IQ and mental intangibles just aren't there, when a guy decides to walk him down he won't set traps, slip and counter, turn them, clinch or go inside, he just goes full blast into excessive defensive movement, as he moves up the levels he'll be going life and death in the late rounds due to wasted energy. It would have been all well and good if he was in there with Chino, Provo, Brook, Porter level guys but he's doing this vs 40 and 34 year old, middle of pack-light punchers.
              Last edited by Moop; 07-13-2015, 01:38 PM.

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              • #57
                Originally posted by Moop View Post
                This.
                I'm no Keith hater, I wanna see the kid improve but if your a fan you need to be real about his limitations at elite level he's soon to be mixing in.

                Thurman's power and boxing ability is looking increasingly mediocre as he moves side ways in the division, because Collazo isn't a step up from Guerrero.

                Forget the body shot, that's not the issue. More troubling for Keith is the fact that his ring IQ and mental intangibles just aren't there, when a guy decides to walk him down he won't set traps, slip and counter, turn them, clinch or go inside, he just goes full blast into excessive defensive movement, as he move the levels he'll be going life and death in the late rounds due wasted energy. It would have been all well and good if he was in there with Chino, Provo, Brook, Porter level guys but he's doing this vs 40 and 34 year old, middle of pack-light punchers.

                I agree with your assessment 100%.

                I don't like what I seen lately from thurman.

                he has too fight a top rated welterweight next or run the risk of getting beat by somebody who he isn't supposed too get beat by. And never get a big fight

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                • #58
                  He has no inside game. He can't roll, slip, counter in the pocket. His defense is his feet and he needs space to punch. So he needs to move around to create space to launch his attack.

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                  • #59
                    Originally posted by Moop View Post
                    This.
                    I'm no Keith hater, I wanna see the kid improve but if your a fan you need to be real about his limitations at elite level he's soon to be mixing in.

                    Thurman's power and boxing ability is looking increasingly mediocre as he moves side ways in the division, because Collazo isn't a step up from Guerrero.

                    Forget the body shot, that's not the issue. More troubling for Keith is the fact that his ring IQ and mental intangibles just aren't there, when a guy decides to walk him down he won't set traps, slip and counter, turn them, clinch or go inside, he just goes full blast into excessive defensive movement, as he move the levels he'll be going life and death in the late rounds due wasted energy. It would have been all well and good if he was in there with Chino, Provo, Brook, Porter level guys but he's doing this vs 40 and 34 year old, middle of pack-light punchers.
                    Great post.

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                    • #60
                      anyone whos been in the ring knows how much those type of body shots hurt i rate thruman for staying up.

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