Mayweather #7 All-Time according to Boxrec.

[Espy]

Most logical boxing fans did not think Pacquiao was going to knock Floyd out and this certainly Isn't the site to reference when It comes to logical boxing fans. Mayweather deserves credit for beating Pacquiao, no doubt. My question that seems to be being avoided Is who has Mayweather beat that was better than James Toney and who other than Chico Corrales has Floyd beat In there prime.

Touche. If you're being logical then I will concur with that statement.

I think RJJ has potentially two harder wins to accomplish but FMJ has more wins against p4p ranked opponents (I think like 6 or 7). Also has a lot of solid names on his resume as well. Better overall resume easy IMO.

[W1LLPARK3R]

Did he have a better resume and was more highly rated than Pacquiao when the fights happened? That's what we're comparing.

No, he didn't. However prime RJJ was so dominant he didn't lose rounds usually..

[Scipio2009]

http://boxrec.com/records/


Manny is #26
B-Hops is #23
JMM is #31
Wlad is #37
RJJ is #50
Tarver #237

Not sure why you're shocked; debuted in 1996 and was fighting at world-level by 1998.

You look at the divisions he's been able to conquer, the names that he's conquered on his resume, and the fact that, near 20 years on, he's still the sport's best fighter and is poised to retire as the sport's best fighter by a wide margin, and I don't get why you're surprised.

[Scipio2009]

No way Is he top 10. 15-20 as stated above sounds more realistic and even that Is pushing It. No way should RJJ be #50 and Mayweather #7.

Roy Jones Jr is still fighting, apparently with two more fights scheduled for August.

If Roy had retired in 2003, after the narrow win over Antonio Tarver, he would've retired 48-1 (having emphatically corrected the "defeat"), a four-division world champion, and arguably the sport's most physically gifted fighter ever.

KO loss to Tarver, KO loss to Johnson, KO loss to Danny Green, KO loss to Denis Lebedev and wide decision losses to Calzaghe, Hopkins, and Tarver later, while still fighting, Roy dropping down to #50 makes sense. Roy winning a world title at cruiserweight, giving him a 5th divisional world title, would help the ranking, but Jones hung around too long to have that help all that much.

[ironmt]

Touche. If you're being logical then I will concur with that statement.

I think RJJ has potentially two harder wins to accomplish but FMJ has more wins against p4p ranked opponents (I think like 6 or 7). Also has a lot of solid names on his resume as well. Better overall resume easy IMO.

Another good post and a decent discussion, getting harder and harder to have on this board.

[Dachozen1]

Mayweather had a better win than anything on Jones's resume, beat more title holders and more P4P rated fighters. Mayweather's resume is better than Jones's, i don't even see how it could be debatable.

Jones started as a 152-154 lbs fighter moved up to beat Hopkins in Hopkins physical prime for a title, then moved up to take a young James Toney's title who was #1 pound for pound, easily. And won a Heavyweight title. Nobody's doing that.

[Scipio2009]

Mayweather does not have a prime James Toney or Bernard Hopkins on his resume. Mayweather beat a prime Chico Corrales. What other great fighters In there prime has he beat? He does not belong In the top 10 period.

Floyd fought Jose Luis Castillo, the lightweight kingpin, in his first fight at lightweight; and, after having a close fight to begin with, he fought him again as his immediate next fight. c'mon man.

[ironmt]

Roy Jones Jr is still fighting, apparently with two more fights scheduled for August.

If Roy had retired in 2003, after the narrow win over Antonio Tarver, he would've retired 48-1 (having emphatically corrected the "defeat"), a four-division world champion, and arguably the sport's most physically gifted fighter ever.

KO loss to Tarver, KO loss to Johnson, KO loss to Danny Green, KO loss to Denis Lebedev and wide decision losses to Calzaghe, Hopkins, and Tarver later, while still fighting, Roy dropping down to #50 makes sense. Roy winning a world title at cruiserweight, giving him a 5th divisional world title, would help the ranking, but Jones hung around too long to have that help all that much.

You make some very valid points. It Is a shame that he continued his career and Is still fighting. I also believe he was In the top 10 most physically gifted fighters of all time. Not only did he have defense but his offense was second to none.

[The Hammer]

Most of their rankings are quite puzzling. If Wlad is #37 then the shot2**** retiree neverwas Golfer who crushed him in mere seconds and had him running in fear from a rematch should also be top 50 but of course that isn't right.

By your logic Jack Taylor (42-40) and Gipsey Daniels (22 losses) should be rated higher than Max Schmeling.

And Rustico Torrecampo (15-8) should be ranked above Manny Pacquiao.

According to your thinking, Joey Maxim should be above Floyd Patterson, and Antonio Tarver, Danny Green and Denis Lebedev should be ahead of Roy Jones.

[Scipio2009]

They have Archie Moore as #1 all time. Moore was great but he wasn't the greatest that ever lived that's for sure. Floyd is right above Tony Canzoneri #9, **** Tiger #10, Carlos Ortiz #11, which are odd names to see that high on a list. Boxrec is all weird the more you look. Always has been a strange computer based system.

Archie Moore fought almost 30 years as a professional (to unfamiliar with the boxing of yesteryear to really know how many of those were at the top level; he did fight Muhammad Ali in one of his last five fights, so he couldn't have fallen off that far).

In my own mind, Ray Robinson, Henry Armstrong, and Joe Louis clearly have their cases to be in that "best to ever put on a pair of gloves" conversation, but why not Archie Moore?