Pacquiao says he'll be fully recovered in two months.

[paulf]

I guess Pacquiao knows that same medical team that Ricky Burns used.

[Scipio2009]

Floyd Mayweather claimed the same injury (torn rotator cuff) in the first Castillo fight which was in April. Claimed he fought with "one arm".

Fought the rematch in December of the same year.

levels. Distinct difference between a small tear (which can basically be healed with rest and time) and a full-on tear, to the degree that the arguably most maniacally driven player in the NBA is missing at least 10 months recovering from.

And even then, counting camp from the fight, Floyd, at all of 24/25, likely took 4 months off to fully recover before heading in to prep for the rematch.

Manny Pacquiao, at the age of 36, is talking about being ready for camp, 5 months after having "full-on shoulder surgery".

Let that sink in for a moment.

[SplitSecond]

what are you going on about?

Manny could've had this shot taken in his hotel room like koncz stated. And hidden from everyone. Plus he injured it after the dlh fight, or was it during training for the Floyd fight. Or maybe I'm mistaken, because they say he was at full strength and injured it in the third or fourth round. idk which story to run with.

The full strength is a cover story because they are about to get sued. He injured it in training for Floyd, and they eased up on training and did alot of rehabilitation exercises in the final weeks to the fight in hopes of healing it up as much as possible. Pacquiao might have felt like there was no pain at that point just prior to the fight, but the shot was meant as a contingency plan because I'm sure the doctor and Pacquiao himself felt it likely wouldn't have been 100% healed by fight night.

And it wasn't, it tore in the 4th. And he added about an extra 5 mm's to the original tear.

[darius45]

levels. Distinct difference between a small tear (which can basically be healed with rest and time) and a full-on tear, to the degree that the arguably most maniacally driven player in the NBA is missing at least 10 months recovering from.

And even then, counting camp from the fight, Floyd, at all of 24/25, likely took 4 months off to fully recover before heading in to prep for the rematch.

Manny Pacquiao, at the age of 36, is talking about being ready for camp, 5 months after having "full-on shoulder surgery".

Let that sink in for a moment.

Another doubter of wolverine gene therapy... pffft...

[Scipio2009]

what are you going on about?

Manny could've had this shot taken in his hotel room like koncz stated. And hidden from everyone. Plus he injured it after the dlh fight, or was it during training for the Floyd fight. Or maybe I'm mistaken, because they say he was at full strength and injured it in the third or fourth round. idk which story to run with.

If you honestly believe that USADA, or even the Nevada commission would've let him walk into the ring with an injection of the type of stuff that is said to "let football players run through walls without feeling it for days", you're deluding yourself.

... and as I finish writing, I realize this is a troll post.

good day

[jcpryor]

So he lied about the injury I suppose?

Did Manny Pacquiao not have a severe tear in his shoilder? The Kobe Bryant injury? That was never said?

[MrP4P]

Floyd Mayweather claimed the same injury (torn rotator cuff) in the first Castillo fight which was in April. Claimed he fought with "one arm".

Fought the rematch in December of the same year.

True.

I dont believe the tear was as severe as they made it out to be, in both cases.

Whether Mayweather or Pacquiao's injury claims were legit or not theres a difference between the two situations and why Pacquiao is getting bashed over it.

He didnt disclose the injury and lied on a questionaire and basically sabotaged himself, and tried to pass blame on the commission instead of himself and his incompetent team.

Just this week Jose Aldo, #2 P4P fighter in the MMA world who has a big fight, probably biggest of his career coming up, had to disclose a rib injury that he suffered in camp and still decided to go through with the fight even with his opponent now having a advantage.

He wont get slack for it regardless of his performance come fight night, whether he stinks up the place, gets brutally knocked out or what have you.

He respected the process and hes going to commended for going through the fight and will now have a rematch clause on the table for it.

There lies the difference.

Casuals just feel cheated because had they known Pacquiao had an injury, they would of had the chance to think twice about ordering the PPV (As the MMA fans now have)

[Dirk Diggler UK]

Watch the fight and you can see he's clearly in pain and complains about it during the fight. Pacquiao was supposed to have a severe tear but never showed signs of pain, didn't mentioned it during the fight or in the post fight interview.

I have watched the fight. That's how I remember Mayweather complaining about fighting with "one arm" repeatedly afterwards.

Yet he fought again before the year was out in a rematch against Castillo.

Those are facts.

All the other stuff is just subjective. "You can clearly see he's in pain" can be countered by "you can clearly see that Pacquaio didn't throw anywhere near the amount of shots he usually does".

[BrometheusBob.]

So, he could move his arm before the surgery even with the tear. Can he throw a punch? Even in 2 more months time I'll doubt he can throw a punch(maybe just the motion but no snap) and a big chance of tearing his sht again. He'll need a long rehabilitation stage to balance the muscles out, strengthening the repaired tendons properly and with patience. Which will take awhile.

Ya know, theres a good chance Manny believes wholeheartedly that he is feeling a lot better but doesn't appreciate how bad an idea it would be to push his luck after this surgery. Arum seemed pretty adamant about him not fighting in 2015, and Koncz even said he should retire, so hopefully his team will help him keep realistic about what he can and can't do.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

levels. Distinct difference between a small tear (which can basically be healed with rest and time) and a full-on tear, to the degree that the arguably most maniacally driven player in the NBA is missing at least 10 months recovering from.

And even then, counting camp from the fight, Floyd, at all of 24/25, likely took 4 months off to fully recover before heading in to prep for the rematch.

Manny Pacquiao, at the age of 36, is talking about being ready for camp, 5 months after having "full-on shoulder surgery".

Let that sink in for a moment.

According to Issac Clarke, "we don't know" how severe Floyd's torn rotator cuff was against Castillo. Why? Doesn't that make it more sceptical?