GGG to Ward: "You are a dead man to me!"

[Barcham]

oh good grief this guy been using mayweathers name for a few years trying to make himself a bigger name. i love watching ggg fight but for someone who whines all day about people avoiding him he should be bugging the **** out his promoter for a ward fight. this whole thing is ridiculous its nothing but excuses from fans. this is quickly turning into may pac number 2 where all we hear is excuses on why it cant happen until ward moves up to 175 and the fight is dead. obviously it didnt make sense the last year or so cause of wards issues but now there is no reason they cant make it happen. they could fight on the same weekend next fight hype the fight all up call eachother out and it would be huge no doubt about it

I guess you never watch his post fight interviews or his between fight interviews, which he is always willing to give. Golovkin has never once complained about people avoiding him. Golovkin has never once stated that any fighter is afraid to fight him. Golovkin has always been very understanding about the business end of things and never even trash talked any other fighter. You are free to go out there and look for video to prove me wrong, but you won't find any because it simply does not exist.

[The Big Dunn]

It doesn't matter if Ward fights Kovalev or GGG because either of them will knock his non fighting, overrated ass out. Death from below or death from above. Ward can take his pick. So he will fight guys like number 31 rated Smith in his home town of Oakland once every other year instead.

It does matter dude. You may think he loses to both. Not everyone does.

Dude please, every time the GGG-Ward things comes up, the strength of Ward's vs GGG's resume is brought up.

Ward, having fought the opposition he has fought, should already be there. And I think that's what his problem is; he believes himself to be a draw much bigger than what he is. And he should be, but for some reason he can't put bums in seats.

Being a PPV star is more about just wins. Ward isn't a PPV star and likely never will be. He needs what Floyd needed when he fought Gatti-a huge name he can dominate on PPV and hope people continue to buy.

I don't see anyone near 168 that could give Ward that right now.

Fixed it for you and it also answers your question. Ward and Hunter confirmed they want "2 tuneups" so let him have his tuneups and we can resume this conversation in 2016, no point in speculating anything when they're not fighting this year.

I am not speculating, only pointing out what HBO/Lampley actually have done in the past and giving my interpretation of it.

[Cinci Champ]

I guess you never watch his post fight interviews or his between fight interviews, which he is always willing to give. Golovkin has never once complained about people avoiding him. Golovkin has never once stated that any fighter is afraid to fight him. Golovkin has always been very understanding about the business end of things and never even trash talked any other fighter. You are free to go out there and look for video to prove me wrong, but you won't find any because it simply does not exist.

thats all fine and dandy but we both know his trainer and promoter completely run the show anyway and lets be real there is no boxing fan who misses a ggg post fight interview that **** is gold. When you really go back and look a lot of the things ggg gets blamed for saying or doing is because of his big mouth trainer abel. His trainer is the one going around saying everyone is scared that hell fight anyone from 154-175 etc etc hes honestly the only reason ggg has been put in bad spots hes also the one who gets people to question ggg

[Barcham]

no doubt about it but after this week there is no reason they could not fight near the same date next then make it happen. i mean seriously for a fan base that whines all day long about fighters avoiding ggg you guys are seriously going to use ward is boring or ward is not a big name as an excuse? are u kidding me? we all know that after saturday when ward fights again in few months it will be against a bigger name there is literally no reason him and ggg couldnt fight on or near the same day and hype a fight say in october then fight this time next year. i mean good grief no ones saying it should happen next but a year from now is very realistic

Why wait another year? If Ward is still as good as his supporters claim he is, why not his next fight? Why shouldn't Ward take B side money and conditions and fight GGG in his next fight before the end of 2015? Golovkin will fight again in Sept and then one more time in Dec. How about a Dec match with Ward? But Ward will need to accept that if he wants back on HBO, it will not be as the A side and millions of dollars for his purse. THAT is the only way this fight can be made without being a PPV.

If Ward insists on holding out for a huge payday, say $5 million or more, and insists on being the A side, this fight may never be made at all.

[The Big Dunn]

oh good grief this guy been using mayweathers name for a few years trying to make himself a bigger name. i love watching ggg fight but for someone who whines all day about people avoiding him he should be bugging the **** out his promoter for a ward fight. this whole thing is ridiculous its nothing but excuses from fans. this is quickly turning into may pac number 2 where all we hear is excuses on why it cant happen until ward moves up to 175 and the fight is dead. obviously it didnt make sense the last year or so cause of wards issues but now there is no reason they cant make it happen. they could fight on the same weekend next fight hype the fight all up call eachother out and it would be huge no doubt about it

boxing is 90% business and 10% skill....I try to focus on the 10%...based off the 10% part, SOG beats GGG....I don't give a f'ck about the 90% part because as fans that's the part the stops us from seeing the fights we wanna see

Both of these posts make sense.

[Cinci Champ]

Why wait another year? If Ward is still as good as his supporters claim he is, why not his next fight? Why shouldn't Ward take B side money and conditions and fight GGG in his next fight before the end of 2015? Golovkin will fight again in Sept and then one more time in Dec. How about a Dec match with Ward? But Ward will need to accept that if he wants back on HBO, it will not be as the A side and millions of dollars for his purse. THAT is the only way this fight can be made without being a PPV.

If Ward insists on holding out for a huge payday, say $5 million or more, and insists on being the A side, this fight may never be made at all.

Im all for it but the realistic thing would be to hype the fight and make it ppv imo its ppv no matter what i think the fight would sell far more then anyone expects i mean were talking about arguably the 2 best fighters in the world after mayweather. if they keep up at this pace talking **** to eachother the fight will sell itself. it will turn into pac mayweather where the fans take sides and want blood i think its a fight that has to happen

[Barcham]

thats all fine and dandy but we both know his trainer and promoter completely run the show anyway and lets be real there is no boxing fan who misses a ggg post fight interview that **** is gold

Just as any fighter's trainer and promoter really run the show. Do people really think Lara is behind his twitter posts? But they are not giving the post fight interview in the ring and people really need to stop taking their words and putting them in Golovkin's mouth. The only thing he has ever done after his fights in the ring and at the post fight conference is state that he wants to fight the other title holders in unification fights. THAT IS ALL. Interviewers try to get him to take their bait on other fighters but he never does, always answering as best and as directly as he can.

But that is not good enough for his detractors and they always have to try to put other peoples' words in his mouth.

[Humean]

Dude, you are one of the smarter posters on NSB. You know that's not how you build a PPV star-by putting him on against a non star who has never headlined a major PPV.

You are right-neither ward/kov nor ward/ggg are PPV fights. Ok, maybe Froch as well.

I think the weight would play a big factor in who would be favored, which is why it makes sense to think neither Ward or GGG would be favored moving up.

You honestly think HBO are turning down better opponents for Golovkin in order to safeguard his record? You really have that low an opinion on how good Golovkin is to think that is happening?

Did I post or imply your 1st question? No, so why are you pretending I am making this argument rather than addressing the specific points made? My opinion of GGG as a fighter, which you know from my posts is high, is in no way related to what HBO is doing with him. You know this, but are trying to make it about me rather than what we both have seen happen on TV.

Its not about his talent, its about the competition for ratings. Why would HBO risk GGG fighting a guy [you pointed out "HBO isn't in the ward business anymore"] he isn't favored against when that same guy can fight someone he would be the underdog against? That is just smart business on HBO's part.

If kov beats ward, no need for ward GGG. If Ward beats Kov, he then is going to have to move down from 175 back to 168 to fight GGG, which as we've seen with other fighters going back down could be problematic.

I think its just HBO trying to protect their investment. why is that so far fetched, especially in this climate?

It is not always possible to find a previous PPV star to put a new guy in against. Golovkin doesn't necessary need a PPV fighter to get a PPV fight, although that would be better, i'm sure HBO are prioritizing Canelo and Cotto rather than Ward for Golovkin. It is not somehow impossible to build two non previous PPV fighters up towards being matched together in a PPV fight.

You wrote "Must be nice to have your record protected by your network."
Yes you are saying that HBO are protecting Golovkin's record.

I don't know from your posts that you have a high opinion of Golovkin.

I don't know from what I've seen, and I admit I try my best to stay away from ever hearing Jim Lampley speak about anything, that Lampley and HBO are permanently cold on the Ward-Golovkin fight. I think they are cold on it right at this moment because Ward hasn't fought for 19 months.

Why are you saying that Golovkin wouldn't be favoured against Ward? It is certainly not clear that HBO would be thinking that Ward wins that fight.

There is protecting your investment, but there is also reaping greater rewards from it. You constantly argue like nobody ever takes any sort of risks whatsoever, as if taking zero risk is the most rational course in every instance. TV networks, promoters, and most of all managers, do tend to be pretty risk averse but not to the point of taking zero risk, greater rewards tend to come from greater risk. Having Golovkin fight Ward risks Golovkin losing, but a win gives him greater status. There was the potential, and there may still be, to build Golovkin-Ward into a big PPV fight between two P4P stars.

[Achcauhtli]

Meanwhile, HBO is pushing Kov v Ward and doing everything they can to not make Ward v GGG most likely because they know Ward would not only beat GGG but humble him. As soon as HBO execs think GGG has the best chance to beat Ward, then they will push to make the fight.

Must be nice to have your record protected by your network.

Let's hope the recent back and forth makes HBO push for the Ward v GGG fight. I think a lot of us would like to see it.

Your hate is pitiful kid

[The Big Dunn]

It is not always possible to find a previous PPV star to put a new guy in against. Golovkin doesn't necessary need a PPV fighter to get a PPV fight, although that would be better, i'm sure HBO are prioritizing Canelo and Cotto rather than Ward for Golovkin. It is not somehow impossible to build two non previous PPV fighters up towards being matched together in a PPV fight.

You wrote "Must be nice to have your record protected by your network."
Yes you are saying that HBO are protecting Golovkin's record.

I don't know from your posts that you have a high opinion of Golovkin.

I don't know from what I've seen, and I admit I try my best to stay away from ever hearing Jim Lampley speak about anything, that Lampley and HBO are permanently cold on the Ward-Golovkin fight. I think they are cold on it right at this moment because Ward hasn't fought for 19 months.

Why are you saying that Golovkin wouldn't be favoured against Ward? It is certainly not clear that HBO would be thinking that Ward wins that fight.

There is protecting your investment, but there is also reaping greater rewards from it. You constantly argue like nobody ever takes any sort of risks whatsoever, as if taking zero risk is the most rational course in every instance. TV networks, promoters, and most of all managers, do tend to be pretty risk averse but not to the point of taking zero risk, greater rewards tend to come from greater risk. Having Golovkin fight Ward risks Golovkin losing, but a win gives him greater status. There was the potential, and there may still be, to build Golovkin-Ward into a big PPV fight between two P4P stars.

I don't think you take that kind of risk, especially not an HBO. I think they will follow the model they always have.

Given his level of comp, they might be but I was just posting that relative to Ward. Now that I think about it, I was critical when they didn't approve Mora and some other opponents.

Ok, maybe, but they were cold on it when Ward was fighting and then continually downplayed it as they saw fans online discuss it.

I have discussed with you how I think GGG is highly skilled and that I think he is right below Floyd, ward, rigo and JMM. Besides, being critical of a network doesn't mean thinking a fighter signed to that network is not any good.

I gave my reasons why I think ward would be favored. He is widely respected and has proven himself. IMO if they thought GGG would win-they'd push for the fight, like they have Kov/ward.

I do no such thing. You keep making it about me rather than what we are seeing being done. ward is high risk, low reward and you know it. It is more likely that ward beats GGG or if GGG wins no KO.

Its also likely that a PPV fight between them does poorly-remember last year both Canelo and Cotto sold very poorly (according to their promoters) in their PPV fights. Is ward the type of fight you want to premier GGG on ppv with??

I just don't see HBO changing its model, a model that has successfully developed PPv stars for 20 years. If they do and I am wrong, I will be the first to admit it.