Comments Thread For: Team Golovkin: To Keep WBC Belt, Cotto Must Make Deal

[Beater_of_ass]

You must not think much of Hagler then.

MW was a much better division then than it is now, this can't even be argued.

[Beater_of_ass]

and what stellar paydays await at 168???

Chavez turned down $7 mil
Froch has gone missing
Ward is in tuneup mode
Degale? no big money there
Dirrell? yeah, right lol


so where is all the big money at 168? even if you have tunnel vision and can only focus on "but ward doe", that is only 1 fight, and Ward would want all the money. So where exactly are these huge paydays at 168????

Once again, GGG is a bad position because he doesn't draw enough for anybody to fight him. But, beating up on bums at 168 garners more respect than bums at 160.

[icha]

i cant believe there is 200+ posts on this, its simple cotto-canelo is next, if the wbc doesnt like it then they should take their title, end of story...

[Beater_of_ass]

You have a very difficult time grasping things, man. This is very simple. Golovkin wants to unify AND take on big names/big money fights. That's it. It's really not hard to understand.

Why don't you understand that I get that's what GGG wants to do. Cotto and Canelo want to do the same thing. Do you GGG fans fail to understand the same rules apply to other fighters? Is this concept so hard to come to? GGG wants money, so do the other guys. All the "other guys" offer more than GGG.

Hopkins was an example. A very good example being that he was in a very similar boat than Golovkin (two title holders wouldn't fight Hopkins for years because of Don King, third title holder was a guy who won the title at middleweight after moving up). There are plenty of others. Marvin Hagler fought for years working his ass off before getting big fights in Duran/Hearns/Leonard.

Great and good for them. I'm not saying GGG can't, he can do what he wants. He wants to unify and make money. Others want to make $$$. Others offer more $$$. Again you're arguing for the sake of arguing lol.

And so what if Golovkin would be the favorite? LOL what a weird thing to mention. Oh Golovkin would be the favorite, no need to fight then, carry on.

GGG being the favorite, means he is expected to win so "holding out" doesn't give him bonus point as it does for you. Only a GGG fan would say "Let him hold out until the smaller guys moved up. All these old guys did it." Again, I have no issue with that because he wants to get paid, I also don't give credit for it either however.

Really strange analogy to use. Golovkin is trying to do his job, be the best in his weight class, unify the titles. Cotto has a belt. Golovkin is mandatory to that belt. Pretty logical to see what should be happening here. If you're Golovkin you want that fight. Anyone would.

It's not a strange analogy at all... It's me believing everyone should get paid the most they can for doing their job. Why is this still an issue?

I want him to unify the middleweight division.

No one cares what you want, it's what someone pays them. I want him to be in competitive fights. The only way that happens in my opinion is him moving up in weight. Apparently, you hate GGG unless you say I hope he beats up smaller guys. No, I'm not about that. I hate mismatches and I like competitive fights, at least on paper. If they don't turn out that way fine, but I'll never be pro-bum fights.

Middleweight has always been my favorite division, along with Welterweight. Such amazing history. Perfect balance of speed and power.

And WW is mine, what this has to do with anything I'm not sure.

After Hagler/Leonard, Bernard Hopkins spent years collecting all the belts and unified all the titles. After Taylor, those belts got scattered around. But the lineage stayed true - Hopkins-Taylor-Pavlik-Martinez and now Cotto. This division is one of the only divisions in boxing where the lineage traces back over a decade. It would be a damn shame if that linage is broken because the current lineal champ doesn't want to fight anyone.

It would be a shame and it would be boxing.

So what happens with guys like Kovalev or if you like a fighter at light heavyweight? They aren't special unless they move up to cruiserweight? God forbid you like a heavyweight.

Well the difference between Kovlev and GGG is that Duva can actually get him fights. If GGG's team could, then I really couldn't say anything and why I don't say **** about Kovalev. He still has LHW's he can fight and that would be competitive fights. There isn't a single fight like that with GGG, that's the issue so if he wants more of my respect he should move up.

Oh ok, you prefer boxing contracts and paydays over the actual fights. That's weird but everyone is different. I guess if you really care about someone else's bank account that makes sense, but not me. I actual care about the sport and have long wanted the sport of boxing to work on integrity and actually make sense, follow the rules & regulations. I love boxing so much I actually care about the sport as a whole, not just one fighters bank account.

I'm dense yet you still think I am the one that cares about the money? No, I don't care about their money I understand their motivations for who they fight, that's $$$. Do you understand yet?

Yeah of course every sport makes money. But the Seahawks didn't get to say "hey we don't want to play the Patriots in the superbowl, we're going to pick the Dallas Cowbows even though they lost and are in the same division. It's a way bigger payday, it will sell more!"

The NFL has better structure than boxing. I don't make the rules in the NFL and I don't make the rules in boxing. I understand them.

You see in other sports there are rules and regulations. A format that is logical and makes sense. That's how I want boxing. Of course that isn't reality, but that doesn't mean fans should ever be content about it. Fans should always demand unification bouts, the best fighting the best, champions fighting the #1 challenger, etc.

How you want boxing and how boxing is are two different things. Stop trying to make fighters do what you want and just accept they're going to do what pays them the most money, because that's not how anyone WANTS boxing, but that's how it IS.

[PeasantCrusha]

you are trying to apply logic and critical thinking to this, which is a waste of time. All you need to know to understand guys like Peasant and a few others is this:

If THEIR guy does something, its ok, perfectly understandable, and 100% defensible.

If another fighter they dont like does the same thing, they are coward ***-boys, unworthy of the belt.

Understand?

The bias you speak of is universal. Ask a peasant about a loss their guy took and you get the most desperate excuses. Ask them about Memo Heredia and they act like Memo is a harmless yoga coach and that pesky chest acne is just an allergic reaction to tainted beef. Ask a GGG fan how GGG becomes an ATG by beating a smaller aging Cotto, and they find a way to make it stick. Clearly you are not pretending to be above your own obvious bias, are you?


The only people bytching about the opposing fan base, are those who struggle with opposing views. Some people are simply angered when you call them on their bullshyt. "But Peasantcrusha doe, I hate him...He never roots for Canelo doe..." Fck Canelo!

[OnePunch]

The bias you speak of is universal. Ask a peasant about a loss their guy took and you get the most desperate excuses. Ask them about Memo Heredia and they act like Memo is a harmless yoga coach and that pesky chest acne is just an allergic reaction to tainted beef. Ask a GGG fan how GGG becomes an ATG by beating a smaller aging Cotto, and they find a way to make it stick. Clearly you are not pretending to be above your own obvious bias, are you?


The only people bytching about the opposing fan base, are those who struggle with opposing views. Some people are simply angered when you call them on their bullshyt. "But Peasantcrusha doe, I hate him...He never roots for Canelo doe..." Fck Canelo!

Actually, I think I do a pretty good job of not allowing my sense of "right and wrong" to be altered simply by which guy is involved. BS is BS, regardless of origin. It even cost me relationships with certain fighters I represented in the past because I called them on their bullsh@t. (privately, of course).

I dont get carried away with the "fan" stuff. Sure, I like GGG alot, and think he is the real deal. I think he breaks Cotto in half. But at some point he will be gone and I will enjoy watching someone else. I certainly wouldnt defend him pulling some nonsense just because I enjoy his fights.....


Edit: Let me add this. Should GGG go to 168 and then try and dry guys down to 164 claiming he is "too small", I'll be right here calling BS.....

[mathed]

If i were cotto. I would'nt give them ****. GGG needs to take his non speaking english ass up to 168.

Uh.....why is that? This crap is crazy, now it's cool to bash a guy who wants to unify all the titles in his OWN division when he is the mandatory to the WBC title and the guy holding the title hostage claims he isn't even a MW? If anyone needs to move somewhere, Cotto needs to move his happy ass back down to 154. I thought Cotto was this badass now, some unstoppable beast? People should be clamoring for the GGG showdown but instead people are running for the hills to ensure the fight doesn't happen.

All of a sudden Ward has become the savior of the day and somehow, GGG is now obligated to move up and challenge his non-existent ass. How about Ward move up and face Kovalev?

[aldo5408]

Uh.....why is that? This crap is crazy, now it's cool to bash a guy who wants to unify all the titles in his OWN division when he is the mandatory to the WBC title and the guy holding the title hostage claims he isn't even a MW? If anyone needs to move somewhere, Cotto needs to move his happy ass back down to 154. I thought Cotto was this badass now, some unstoppable beast? People should be clamoring for the GGG showdown but instead people are running for the hills to ensure the fight doesn't happen.

All of a sudden Ward has become the savior of the day and somehow, GGG is now obligated to move up and challenge his non-existent ass. How about Ward move up and face Kovalev?

I get ggg wants to unify. And he's been saying that for years. But the fact is he has yet to unify, not even once. I know some other title holders can't or don't want to fight ggg, but how long is he going to keep saying he wants to unify. only title he can probably unify is the one Lee is holding

[aldo5408]

Uh.....why is that? This crap is crazy, now it's cool to bash a guy who wants to unify all the titles in his OWN division when he is the mandatory to the WBC title and the guy holding the title hostage claims he isn't even a MW? If anyone needs to move somewhere, Cotto needs to move his happy ass back down to 154. I thought Cotto was this badass now, some unstoppable beast? People should be clamoring for the GGG showdown but instead people are running for the hills to ensure the fight doesn't happen.

All of a sudden Ward has become the savior of the day and somehow, GGG is now obligated to move up and challenge his non-existent ass. How about Ward move up and face Kovalev?

Ward already proved himself he is the lineal champ and he actually UNIFIED his division why would he move up he is the lineal champ at 168

[T18Z]

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Cotto ain't gonna fight GGG, the guy couldn't even get his words out.